I'm first finding this: Letter on Novus Ordo Missae
(08-20-2013, 10:20 AM)JoniCath Wrote: Conscience vs dogmatic authority
"Certainly, if I am obliged to bring religion into after dinner toasts...I shall drink - to the Pope, if you please, - still to Conscience first, and to the pope afterwards...I wish for the intellect to range with the utmost freedom, and religion to enjoy an equal freedom...Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise...[Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ..."

- Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman, (1801 –1890) from his letter to the Duke of Norfolk quoted by Pope Benedict XVI in, "Conscience and Truth"


Its about Conscience vs Dogma.


"...[b]Over the pope as the expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority there still stands one's own conscience, which must be obeyed before all else, if necessary even against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority[/b]. The conscience of the individual confronts him with a supreme and ultimate tribunal which in the last resort is beyond the claim of external social groups, even of the official church. In all activity man is bound to follow his conscience It follows he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor…to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious...”

- Pope Benedict XVI, Commentary on the Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World, in vol.5

We Catholics have always had it made, or, at least during the good times of the Church. We didn't think & study, we just did what the Pope said. Well, the "times they are a changin' " We are actually being called upon to study, tO THINK. This is NOT about the validity of any Mass, this is about using our minds instead of just payin' & prayin'. & obeyin' the Pope If one believes in the quietest part of his being that the NO. has brought blessings to the Church, that it is the Will of God that this Mass is above all others, etc., that person MUST attend the NO.

I do not believe, after honest, prayerful, studying for several years that the NO. is the best we can do & God deserves our very BEST!! The Church teaches that conscience is primary & my conscience tells me that the fruits of Vatican II, the NO. Mass, the blending of the ordained priesthood, CITH (which was brought about in disobedience & manipulation),  the lack of vocations, the nuns who deface government property,  the sexual abuse of pubescent boys, the constant diminishing Mass attendance & on & on are good fruits.

I wonder if the idea of following one's conscience is closely aligned with Free Will. 
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Re: I'm first finding this: Letter on Novus Ordo Missae - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:24 AM



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