Orthodox Posters?
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Here's the thing with the Orthodox rites being "frozen."  Between the Apostles and St. John Chrysostom, changes were made and new rites were developed in the true Church.  All acknowledge this.  If the Church back then had the authority to make such changes then it does today, or else it is not the same Church as back then. If EO claim this can't be done any more, then they aren't the same Church as the one the developed the rite of St. John Chrysostom.

Furthermore, some EO's like to prey on Catholics who have misgivings about the new form used in the Roman rite, but they have similar gripes about the TLM, which is why it had to be retrograded to a form well before Trent with additional modifications to be used as a "Western Rite" (and even then most Orthodox jurisdictions still reject it).  They've had problems with Catholic liturgies from very early on, be it the use of unleavened bread, the change to the Creed, Communion under one species, the lack of an epiclesis, and in some cases, even the lack of beards or the style of mitre!  If it's not one thing, it's another.

Furthermore, their doctrinal fluctuations are much more severe than many realize.  Most people seem not to know the history of the EO Churches and their pan-Orthodox Councils in the second millenium.   Are indulgences part of Orthodox doctrine or are they a heretical innovation? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  How about original sin (as Catholic's understand it)? Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. The need for satisfaction from sin and purgatory? Sometimes yes, and sometimes no.
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Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 08:48 AM
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