Orthodox Posters?
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(08-20-2013, 02:28 PM)guacamole Wrote:
(08-20-2013, 02:01 PM)christulsa123 Wrote: Guacamole,

I was wondering, what doctrine (s) of the Roman Catholic Church do you not accept, and why, that caused you to join the Eastern Orthodox Church and later the Old Catholic Church?

i either had to reject papal infallibility or become a sedevacantist.  since the flip flops go back further than vatican ii (usury, etc.), rejecting papal infallibility made much more sense.  (but i did go through a sedevacantist phase.  whew!)

and yes, i know all the arguments about usury and have had them bookmarked for a long time.  so -- don't bother, at least for my sake!

i hold to the principle enunciated by st. vincent of lerins for holding fast to tradition.  it is quoted in the first article of the declaration of utrecht (http://www.utrechter-union.org/page/152/...ion_of_utr) .  that is why i have an icon of st. vincent of lerins on my icon wall.

as an old catholic, i also have great sympathy for the jansenists and an interest in their history.  i share their preference for st. augustine over st. thomas aquinas.  and i greatly revere the memory of the great blaise pascal and his masterwork, pensées.  thomas a kempis is also a part of this tradition.  that said, i am not, strictly speaking, a jansenist -- except that i have a great devotion to the divine wrath!  :laughing:

for awhile, i attended an sspx chapel, keeping my old catholicism in foro interno.  i refrained from receiving communion there.  (but did receive absolution and communion, for example, at the pncc church.)  i still consider the sspx to be a nascent old catholic church of sorts.  they reject vatican ii.  we reject vatican i.

Do you agree that this information about the Old Catholic Church is accurate:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church#Beliefs" Wrote:The Old Catholic Church shares some of the liturgy with the Roman Catholic Church and similar to the Orthodox, Anglicans and high church Protestants.

Christ-Catholic Swiss bishop Urs Küry dismissed the Roman Catholic dogma of transubstantiation as well as consubstantiation because these Scholastic interpretations presume to explain the Eucharist using the metaphysical concept of "substance". Like the Orthodox and Methodist approaches to the Eucharist, the Old Catholic Christian ought to accept an unexplainable divine mystery as such, and should not cleave to or insist upon a particular theory of the sacrament.[46]

Because of this approach, Old Catholics hold an open view to most issues, including the role of women in the Church, the role of married people within ordained ministry, the morality of same sex relationships, the use of one's conscience when deciding to use artificial contraception, and liturgical reforms such as open communion (because no human can presume to exclude any Christian from communion). Its liturgy has not significantly departed from the Tridentine Mass, as is shown in the English translation of the German Altarbook (missal).

In 1994 the German bishops decided to ordain women as priests and put this into practice on 27 May 1996; similar decisions and practices followed in Austria, Switzerland and the Netherlands.[47] The Utrecht Union allows those who are divorced to have a new religious marriage, and it has no particular teaching on abortion, leaving such decisions to the married couple.[48]

This sure doesn't sound like anything any Roman/Eastern Catholic should consider, regardless of the problems with the changes in the Church recently, and the problems some may perceive in the past.  It abandons the moral law, as well as the Catholic tradition and authority that upholds it. 
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Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 08:48 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 08:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:09 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 09:57 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:08 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:17 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:20 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:23 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:27 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:34 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 10:40 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 10:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 10:45 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:48 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 10:54 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 11:02 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 11:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 11:12 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 12:40 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 12:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 12:43 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-20-2013, 01:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-20-2013, 02:01 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-20-2013, 02:15 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 02:28 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 06:48 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-20-2013, 06:53 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 07:44 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-23-2013, 07:31 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-23-2013, 07:33 PM
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