Orthodox Posters?
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(08-21-2013, 01:56 AM)Landless Laborer Wrote:
(08-20-2013, 07:42 PM)US_Soldier Wrote:
(08-20-2013, 06:22 PM)Doce Me Wrote: This sure doesn't sound like anything any Roman/Eastern Catholic should consider, regardless of the problems with the changes in the Church recently, and the problems some may perceive in the past.  It abandons the moral law, as well as the Catholic tradition and authority that upholds it. 

From the Orthodox folk that I know in real life, Orthodoxy hardly even believes in a moral "law." Obviously they believe in morality, but mostly on a circumstantial basis. Orthodoxy rejects anything similar to the Catholic teaching that lying is ALWAYS sinful, even though St. Augustine himself said, "One may not slay his own soul by lying to save his life." Lying is not intrinsicically evil to to the Orthodox, but is actually justified in many circumstances. To me it reeks of moral relativism. They tend to reject the ideas of absolute morality. And the exceptions to this are nonsensical (for example that violence is always wrong, even in self defense, such that even a soldier whose actions may be justified is still guilty of the sin of murder, a stark contrast to Catholicism). But without a centralized teaching authority it's incredibly difficult to even say what Orthodoxy actually believes since very little of it is formalized into law. In general, Orthodoxy rejects the idea of anything resembling something like a canon law, but again I can hardly even say that for the reason I just stated.

It hurts me inside to see Roman Catholics swept away because they have attached themselves more to a liturgy than to a theology. Orthodox theology is broken, and honestly stupid. They honor tradition, but only insofar as what they remember. What is actually written by the Church Fathers, or the decisions made by the Orthodox Church in times long forgotten, hardly matters to them. Apparently they don't remember the great Orthodox heroes who fought bravely against the Turks to stop the spread of Islam across Europe. Apparently those men are in hell. Even if the TLM was outlawed, I would never leave Catholicism for the sheer reason that it is the only body of thought in all of human history that actually makes any damn sense. I'd sooner suffer through communion in the hand at the command of a bishop, and stand by in my innocence and watch as he is thrown into hell, than apostatize and send myself there.
I'm Orthodox, converting to Roman Catholicism.  Orthodoxy looks great from the outside, but practically, it's an empty shell.  Although they don't admit it, each branch is under the control of its respective state.  They have no universal catechism, because if they tried to produce one, they would expose the fact that they are anything but unified, thus destroying their argument against a central authority.  I disagree with one of the other posters who said remarriage is rarely allowed.  It is constantly allowed.  3, 4, and 5 times depending on the branch.  90% of the populations in Orthodox strongholds are adherents.  But abortions are rampant, as is extra-marital sex...contraception a given.   Most Orthodox (at least in the old world), don't really understand what sin is, the church doesn't catechize the laity, that's reserved for the monastics.  Yes, i'm giving up the beautiful liturgies and iconostasis walls for clown mass.
There was a big change to the Russian liturgy in the 1600's which produced the "Old Believers" schism.   

You don't necessarily have to give up the Eastern Traditions in order to join the RCC.  Are there any Eastern Catholic Churches in your area?
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Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 08:48 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 08:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:09 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 09:57 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:08 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:17 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:20 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:23 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:27 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:34 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 10:40 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 10:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 10:45 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:48 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 10:54 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 11:02 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 11:03 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 11:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 11:12 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 12:40 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 12:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 12:43 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-20-2013, 01:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-20-2013, 02:01 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-20-2013, 02:15 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 02:28 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintSebastian - 08-20-2013, 04:19 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-20-2013, 04:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 05:03 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 05:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Doce Me - 08-20-2013, 06:22 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 06:48 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-20-2013, 06:53 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by US_Soldier - 08-20-2013, 07:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 08:38 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Philosoraptor - 08-20-2013, 10:01 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-20-2013, 10:08 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-20-2013, 10:14 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 10:15 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 10:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Joshua - 08-20-2013, 11:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 01:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-21-2013, 02:32 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-21-2013, 02:54 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-21-2013, 04:37 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 04:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-21-2013, 05:03 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 05:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 07:39 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintSebastian - 08-21-2013, 07:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-21-2013, 09:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 09:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 09:21 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 09:27 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 09:29 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 09:30 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 09:40 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 10:02 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 10:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 10:26 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 11:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 11:15 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 11:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-21-2013, 11:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-21-2013, 11:30 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 11:58 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-21-2013, 12:13 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-21-2013, 12:13 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-21-2013, 12:21 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-21-2013, 12:23 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-21-2013, 12:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 12:28 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-21-2013, 12:36 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 12:39 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 12:40 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 12:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 12:46 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 12:51 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 12:51 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-21-2013, 01:30 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-21-2013, 01:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 01:51 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 02:05 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 02:07 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-21-2013, 02:25 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-21-2013, 03:03 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by US_Soldier - 08-21-2013, 06:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 07:44 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Joshua - 08-21-2013, 10:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 11:36 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Han - 08-22-2013, 12:04 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Doce Me - 08-22-2013, 12:44 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-22-2013, 12:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-22-2013, 12:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-22-2013, 01:15 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Farmer88 - 08-22-2013, 04:00 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-22-2013, 05:05 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-22-2013, 05:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-22-2013, 05:08 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-22-2013, 05:10 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-22-2013, 08:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-22-2013, 09:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-22-2013, 11:10 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-22-2013, 11:41 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-22-2013, 11:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-22-2013, 01:04 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-22-2013, 01:16 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Farmer88 - 08-22-2013, 02:12 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-22-2013, 05:39 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-22-2013, 06:59 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-22-2013, 07:35 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Poche - 08-22-2013, 11:17 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-22-2013, 11:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-22-2013, 11:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-23-2013, 01:03 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintLouis - 08-23-2013, 01:51 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-23-2013, 02:11 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintLouis - 08-23-2013, 07:22 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-23-2013, 07:31 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-23-2013, 07:33 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintLouis - 08-23-2013, 09:53 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-23-2013, 10:56 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by PurposefulMother - 08-25-2013, 04:11 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-25-2013, 06:55 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by PurposefulMother - 08-25-2013, 12:53 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Philosoraptor - 08-25-2013, 01:12 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintLouis - 08-27-2013, 07:49 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-28-2013, 11:26 AM



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