Orthodox Posters?
I am actually Eastern Orthodox too right now but I am being drawn towards traditional catholicism and it is precisely because of the thing you have just mentioned. I was thinking about the question of how do the orthodox know which ecumenical councils are binding and which are false? I realized that there is no real connection historically between the ecumenical councils...except that the pope ratified those which we hold now to be true and help us distinguish between what are false and true councils. Some of the councils were accepted by everyone...some weren't...some of the councils were accepted by all the patriarchs...some weren't. So there must be some criterion of visible authority and the only possible one must be the pope. I cannot help but admire the traditions and saints of the Eastern Orthodox Churches even post Council of Florence. However, I agree with "extra ecclesiam nullam salus" and that the truth is the Catholic Church.  How can there be reconciliation between these principles without resorting to the false tactic that the Eastern Orthodox Churches have part of the truth? Vladimir Soloviev is part of the answer. He also has a certain respectability given his connection with the pope. Vladimir Soloviev believed that he could be a Catholic fully loyal with the pope while being an Eastern Orthodox Christian. I am not saying this a good solution because as far as I know it is against canon law. But Soloviev did make interesting arguments. He argued that the churches have never really been disunited because the Eastern Orthodox Church has never repudiated the dogmas of catholicism and has in certain periods of times agreed with them. So in some sense the Orthodox churches are part of the Catholic church although most of their leaders do not recognize it. This is attested to by the fact that for long periods of times the two churches thought there was a dispute WITHIN the one church rather than two separate communions disputing with each other. Also, St Pius X allowed the eastern catholics to celebrate many saints that came after the Council of Florence and there was also intercommunion in many parts of the world which still remains between the churches. This is just an interesting idea. Another part of Soloviev's thought was concerned with reviving the Holy Roman Empire by reconciling the tzar with pope...interesting...however, if the eastern orthodox churches recognize explicitly that they are united with the catholics then they could twart the modernism that is prevalent after Vatican II.
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Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 08:48 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 08:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:09 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 09:57 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:08 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:17 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:20 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 10:27 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:34 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 10:40 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 10:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 10:45 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:48 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 10:54 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 10:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 11:02 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 11:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Ptochos - 08-20-2013, 11:12 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 12:40 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 12:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 12:43 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-20-2013, 01:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-20-2013, 02:01 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-20-2013, 02:15 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 02:28 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintSebastian - 08-20-2013, 04:19 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-20-2013, 04:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 05:03 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 05:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Doce Me - 08-20-2013, 06:22 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-20-2013, 06:48 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-20-2013, 06:53 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by US_Soldier - 08-20-2013, 07:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-20-2013, 08:38 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Philosoraptor - 08-20-2013, 10:01 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-20-2013, 10:08 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-20-2013, 10:14 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-20-2013, 10:15 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-20-2013, 10:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Joshua - 08-20-2013, 11:42 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 01:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-21-2013, 02:32 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-21-2013, 02:54 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-21-2013, 04:37 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 04:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-21-2013, 05:03 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 05:07 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 07:39 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintSebastian - 08-21-2013, 07:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-21-2013, 09:07 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SCG - 08-21-2013, 09:21 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 09:29 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 09:40 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 11:06 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 11:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-21-2013, 11:18 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-21-2013, 11:30 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 11:58 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by christulsa123 - 08-21-2013, 12:13 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-21-2013, 12:13 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 12:28 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 12:39 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 12:46 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by 2Vermont - 08-21-2013, 12:51 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-21-2013, 01:30 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-21-2013, 01:51 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 02:05 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-21-2013, 02:25 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-21-2013, 03:03 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 03:58 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by US_Soldier - 08-21-2013, 06:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-21-2013, 07:44 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Joshua - 08-21-2013, 10:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-21-2013, 11:36 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Han - 08-22-2013, 12:04 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Doce Me - 08-22-2013, 12:44 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-22-2013, 12:51 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-22-2013, 12:56 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-22-2013, 01:15 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Farmer88 - 08-22-2013, 04:00 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-22-2013, 05:05 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-22-2013, 05:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Whitey - 08-22-2013, 05:08 AM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-22-2013, 08:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Personna - 08-22-2013, 09:06 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by St. Pius of Trent - 08-22-2013, 11:10 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-22-2013, 11:41 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Basilios - 08-22-2013, 11:42 AM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Maldon - 08-22-2013, 01:04 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Farmer88 - 08-22-2013, 02:12 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-22-2013, 05:39 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Melkite - 08-22-2013, 06:59 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Sant Anselmo - 08-22-2013, 07:35 PM
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Re: Orthodox Posters? - by jovan66102 - 08-22-2013, 11:24 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Landless Laborer - 08-22-2013, 11:55 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by Tim - 08-23-2013, 01:03 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by SaintLouis - 08-23-2013, 01:51 PM
Re: Orthodox Posters? - by guacamole - 08-23-2013, 02:11 PM
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