The men and intent behind the NO Mass
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(08-21-2013, 11:49 AM)Gidge Wrote:
(08-21-2013, 11:13 AM)2Vermont Wrote: The one you posted was modified in 1989.  Do you have a link for the Oath that Paul VI required? 

As for the point that every single participant in Vatican II took the Oath Against Modernism, somehow that doesn't make me feel any better at all.

I don't think Pope Paul VI "required" the oath if he got rid of it !   :LOL:

SS mentioned he substituted it with an all-encompassing one, so to give the benefit of the doubt, I'd like to see it in the original form.
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(08-21-2013, 09:50 AM)2Vermont Wrote:
(08-21-2013, 09:45 AM)Gidge Wrote: I have always said that the changes of Vatican II did not "just happen"  -- these changes go way back to the time of Pope St. Pius X who created the oath against modernism, probably to combat the ideas of Darwin, the eugenicists, and the Fabian socialists.

Guess who got rid of that oath?

Paul VI.

I'm sure a number of people here will say, well, he was pope he can do whatever he wants.  But why would he do this?  Couple this decision with his decision to radically alter the mass (as well as the consecration of bishops), how does one not go  Hmmmmmm.......????

Darn right I'm interested in hearing what Fr Cekada has to say about this.

FR Louis Bouyer said that Paul VI was deceived by Bugnini:
http://monkshobbit.wordpress.com/2009/10...-new-mass/

That's not true, if not, why did the POPE ENFORCED THE N.O. anyways, as a sign he was satisfied with Bugnini's job?
After reading this quote of Fr Louis Bouyer who himself was a convert from lutherianism, my opinion is that there was double game played by Bugnini AND Paul VI to deceive us all.
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(08-21-2013, 03:46 PM)maso Wrote:
(08-21-2013, 09:50 AM)2Vermont Wrote:
(08-21-2013, 09:45 AM)Gidge Wrote: I have always said that the changes of Vatican II did not "just happen"  -- these changes go way back to the time of Pope St. Pius X who created the oath against modernism, probably to combat the ideas of Darwin, the eugenicists, and the Fabian socialists.

Guess who got rid of that oath?

Paul VI.

I'm sure a number of people here will say, well, he was pope he can do whatever he wants.  But why would he do this?  Couple this decision with his decision to radically alter the mass (as well as the consecration of bishops), how does one not go  Hmmmmmm.......????

Darn right I'm interested in hearing what Fr Cekada has to say about this.

FR Louis Bouyer said that Paul VI was deceived by Bugnini:
http://monkshobbit.wordpress.com/2009/10...-new-mass/

That's not true, if not, why did the POPE ENFORCED THE N.O. anyways, as a sign he was satisfied with Bugnini's job?
After reading this quote of Fr Louis Bouyer who himself was a convert from lutherianism, my opinion is that there was double game played by Bugnini AND Paul VI to deceive us all.

Paul VI, as Archbishop Montini, was a great admirer of Bouyer and Jungmann and based his litiurgical philosophy on their writings. I will demonstrate this later with quotes I promised to post. There wasn't any, "pulling the wool over anyone's eyes". Montini/Paul VI was on board with all of this from the beginning.
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