Weightlifting and the cult of the body
#11
(11-16-2013, 05:54 PM)salus Wrote: Many gays are into bodybuilding to attract other men

Doesn't make bodybuilding an exclusively gay thing, or mean that this person might be gay. 

I'd ask your friend why he feels the need to put on so much muscle.  I think a lot of guys get into this hobby because they feel inadequate in some way and need something to make them "feel like a man."  It also can mask an eating disorder or compulsive exercise problem.  Is he extremely picky about his food or is he unable to go a day without his fitness routine?
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#12
Maybe you could give him the book Fit for Eternal Life? http://www.amazon.com/Fit-Eternal-Life-K...1933184310

I haven't read it, as I have little interest in bodybuilding, but from the reviews, it offers a fitness regimen in the light of faith. This may be something worth checking out.
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#13
Praying for him
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#14
There is nothing inherently wrong with lifting weights. America is plagued with land whales and bodies moulded by gluttony and sloth. I'd much prefer a society of Greek gods instead of the third circle of hell. Working out is great for your physical and mental well being. It makes you more confident, makes you "feel strong" and powerful, and is great for your health if you don't abuse drugs and eat properly. I've seen it help people with opiate addictions, social anxieties, cancer, and autistic self stimulation.

Quote:those bodybuilders do nothing but stack on lots of useless muscle; they can't do physical labor for crap.

Not true in some cases. Let me quote Arnold:

Quote:The truth is that not all bodybuilders are strong, especially those who have done most of their training with weight machines. But years of power lifting and working with free weights had given me massive biceps and shoulders and back muscles and thighs. I simply looked bigger and stronger than the rest”
- Arnold Schwarzenegger, Total Recall

Quote:American magazines wrote about the split routine as if it were my secret: it became the big thing. Everybody thought that was how I’d grown as much as I had in such a short time ….. From the beginning, I was a believer in the basic movements, because that was Reg Park’s preference. I was doing heavy squats, heavy bench presses, and this provided some of the foundation work of my body, which has always made me appear strong. Certain bodybuilders lack that look. They have good bodies but they don’t appear powerful. The reason is inadequate foundation training. Reg Park had been a powerlifter; he had done squats with 600 pounds, bench presses with 500 pounds and dead lifts of over 700 pounds. I saw no reason why I shouldn’t continue in the same groove.

    - Arnold Schwarzenegger, The Education of a Bodybuilder

Reg Park trained before the inventions of steroids btw.

Body builders like Arnold and Franco Colombo were strong before they became body builders because they were powerlifters. Arnold built muscle mass by getting strong and then later chiseled it down with split routine. Franco could deadlift 755lbs, squat 655lbs, and bench 525lbs.

If your training with machines, using drugs, etc. you're gonna be weak. All that muscle will be white muscle mass. It may look good but it isn't usable. Strength training programs will get you big and strong. A lot of programs now are based off the Texas Method, stuff like Strong Lifts, Starting Strength, and so on.

ArturoOrtiz,

If you're starting out you must do a 5x5 routine. Don't go for any of that 5 day split rubbish. 5 day splits are only for pro body builders that are sculpting their bodies. I'd recommend buying a squat rack or a bench if you don't have room. Go for a 5x5 AxBxAxxBxAxBxx routine based on compound lifts. If you don't know what I'm talking about read http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-b...g-program/
and read http://stronglifts.com/how-to-build-muscle-mass-guide/

I know lots of meat heads. They're just like any other group of people. I've spoken with guys twice my size that say they "feel small" even though they're really big, I know plenty of guys who roid and do so because, and they admit it, they're vain. On the other hand I know people who do it as a sport, do it to stay healthy, and some who are regular humble and pious Catholics. What matters most is what's in your mind (and soul) and not your body. People with deep hidden psychological issues will not escape it them through body building, they will always "feel small". People who are psychologically healthy but are mentally weak because of their weak bodies will be strengthened and feel and think better.

How Arnold made Fitness popular (skip to 15mins)
[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee53wTc66so?t=15m4s [/video]

http://youtu.be/Ee53wTc66so?t=15m4s


Bad side of body building "The Man Whose Arms Exploded"




The documentary "Pumping Iron" is also on youtube, it's very interesting but I'm not gonna link to it. I'm pretty sure most people here are American and will go blind seeing men in speedos.  :crazy:

I believe Benedict XVI frowned upon worshiping your own body and focusing on it more than your soul. I doubt he actually objected to lifting weights or being muscular, he did approve of this statue of St. Michael the Archangel after all:

[Image: 540-Michael-01.jpg]


If anyone has any questions about body building, pilates, etc. feel free to ask.

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(11-17-2013, 12:18 AM)Skarga Wrote: Body builders like Arnold and Franco Colombo were strong before they became body builders because they were powerlifters. Arnold built muscle mass by getting strong and then later chiseled it down with split routine. Franco could deadlift 755lbs, squat 655lbs, and bench 525lbs.

Dear Lord I am lucky I can lift my iPad  :LOL:
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#16
(11-17-2013, 01:13 AM)Chestertonian Wrote:
(11-17-2013, 12:18 AM)Skarga Wrote: Body builders like Arnold and Franco Colombo were strong before they became body builders because they were powerlifters. Arnold built muscle mass by getting strong and then later chiseled it down with split routine. Franco could deadlift 755lbs, squat 655lbs, and bench 525lbs.

Dear Lord I am lucky I can lift my iPad  :LOL:

This is the guy I was talking about.
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#17


While I'm MAJORLY bad at this sort of thing, taking care of the body is a virtuous thing to do. It's all about the attitude, the reasons for it all. If push were to come to shove, we'll need warriors to defend whatever we can salvage of Christendom, eh?

That said, there's obviously something askew with a person who's into body-building because of a mere desire to impress people, the goal of acquiring physical power just to knock folks around, because of a fear of death, etc., esp. while ignoring the spiritual life, which is what matters most.

As an aside, for what it's worth, Charles Atlas was paisan', born Angelo Siciliano, and he remained a devout Catholic all throughout his life. Rocky Marciano (49-0!) -- same thing.  One of my Italian-side cousins won major awards for his body-building work back in the day -- and he, along with his Mom -- are two of the most loving, beautiful people you'd ever want to meet. They've got their priorities straight.
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#18
(11-17-2013, 12:18 AM)Skarga Wrote: There is nothing inherently wrong with lifting weights. America is plagued with land whales and bodies moulded by gluttony and sloth. I'd much prefer a society of Greek gods instead of the third circle of hell. Working out is great for your physical and mental well being. It makes you more confident, makes you "feel strong" and powerful, and is great for your health if you don't abuse drugs and eat properly. I've seen it help people with opiate addictions, social anxieties, cancer, and autistic self stimulation.

Quote:those bodybuilders do nothing but stack on lots of useless muscle; they can't do physical labor for crap.

Not true in some cases. Let me quote Arnold:

Quote:The truth is that not all bodybuilders are strong, especially those who have done most of their training with weight machines. But years of power lifting and working with free weights had given me massive biceps and shoulders and back muscles and thighs. I simply looked bigger and stronger than the rest”
- Arnold Schwarzenegger, Total Recall

Quote:American magazines wrote about the split routine as if it were my secret: it became the big thing. Everybody thought that was how I’d grown as much as I had in such a short time ….. From the beginning, I was a believer in the basic movements, because that was Reg Park’s preference. I was doing heavy squats, heavy bench presses, and this provided some of the foundation work of my body, which has always made me appear strong. Certain bodybuilders lack that look. They have good bodies but they don’t appear powerful. The reason is inadequate foundation training. Reg Park had been a powerlifter; he had done squats with 600 pounds, bench presses with 500 pounds and dead lifts of over 700 pounds. I saw no reason why I shouldn’t continue in the same groove.

    - Arnold Schwarzenegger, The Education of a Bodybuilder

Reg Park trained before the inventions of steroids btw.

Body builders like Arnold and Franco Colombo were strong before they became body builders because they were powerlifters. Arnold built muscle mass by getting strong and then later chiseled it down with split routine. Franco could deadlift 755lbs, squat 655lbs, and bench 525lbs.

If your training with machines, using drugs, etc. you're gonna be weak. All that muscle will be white muscle mass. It may look good but it isn't usable. Strength training programs will get you big and strong. A lot of programs now are based off the Texas Method, stuff like Strong Lifts, Starting Strength, and so on.

I should clarify: I'm not saying that lifting weights is useless by itself.  What I am saying is that far too many guys who do lift do it for looks (like idiots who do a bunch of bicep curls to look big but have backs of jelly!), or else don't mix in other things for a mixed workout, mixing calisthenics in is a must, it works the muscles in another way, and helps one master their own bodyweight, stay flexible, etc.  I've done enough work (farming, maintenance) to know that half of being strong is being able to get your body in position to use that strength.  If you can't crawl into a small crevice, etc, your strength isn't going to help.
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#19
Thank you all for your thoughts, which are much appreciated.
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