Social Kingship of Christ and the new feast of Christ The king
(11-24-2013, 06:09 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(11-24-2013, 04:54 PM)Roger Buck Wrote: Hmm ... there IS indeed a TON of work to do with as Vox (and Tim) say. I worry how truly minoritaire the Traditional Catholic movement really is.

(If you want an indication of that look at Trad books on Amazon. In so many cases, Amazon doesn't even stock them. Yes, second hand Amazon Marketplace dealers do,  ... but Amazon itself. No - it apparently sees so little money in them, they don't even bother.)

I hear your pain about this Vox and am glad that you express it.  I am very interested in discussions on how we can do more, which I am also trying with my own humble website compared to FE ...  

I don't think there's anything anyone can do anymore, really. Folks seem to be satisfied with how things are. As far as FE goes, aside from some lovely and appreciated financial help and the subscribers that keep this place on the internet, I can't catch a break of a sort that'd allow for forward movement, so it's pretty much "this is as good as it gets," I think.

Quote: Part of the problem here Vox is you are a LEADER. Not everyone is called to that. Leadership is lonely ...

I'm not a leader; I just write stuff. Rather, I wrote stuff when I had the time.

On the other hand, leaders can educate us. I am very genuinely interested in being educated. For example, regarding this:

Ideally, if you had time, Vox, I  would like to hear much, much, MUCH more about this. Perhaps you would fear like it would seem like bragging. But I would be interested in specifics to help me gauge things. For example, what kind of folks are we talking about here?

Mainly Protestants?

Mainly lapsed Catholics? Or NO Catholics to traditionalists?

Agnostics, New Agers, Atheists?

Mostly Prots to Catholicism, and Catholics to Tradition. If the site stays up, I'd like to write a section for atheists/agnostics/seculars someday if I ever can, though.

Quote: You are a leader in this field and I appreciate you educating us ... in part because I want to emulate you.

Ha, don't emulate ME, for gosh sakes. Have a life and be happy instead.

Thanks for clarifying Vox.

To clarify what I meant about Leader/emulate ...

You may not be a leader in a normal sense. But I see enormous INITIATIVE on your part - which amounts to leading.

And I am particularly interested in the leading of people to tradition ... what I said about Amazon and traditional Catholic books pains my heart.

This is what I want to emulate, your success in leading people to tradition, expanding awareness about tradition, creating a larger group of people who understand these things, thereby the demand for TLM etc ...

On the internet, you do seem to have a leading role in that - and that is why your original comment vis-a-vis EWTN and Catholic Answers interested me so. Given that EWTN and Catholic Answers are not traditionalist, I ask myself is it possible that in terms of traditional Catholicism, you have THE leading role (??) Don't know. Just asking myself ... and now I suppose you and everyone else.

(11-24-2013, 04:18 PM)loggats Wrote:
(11-24-2013, 02:04 PM)spasiisochrani Wrote: The Feast of Christ the King is not particularly "traditional" anyway. It was established in 1925.

The Tridentine reforms aren't particularly "traditional" either, they were established in the late 1500s. Using traditional when you mean old doesn't work.

What Tridentine reforms?  Certainly the doctrinal decrees were traditional enough, and the Tridentine Missal of 1570  is largely the Roman Missal of 1474.  Other disciplinary reforms (e.g. the reform of indulgences, the institution of seminary training, the requirement that bishops live in their dioceses)  were new, but were designed to root out corrupt practices that were abuses rather than traditions.
(11-24-2013, 06:20 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: Roman Catholic traditionalism is a minority fringe in the larger Church...not sure if it will ever be more than that in our lifetimes to be honest, not unless we get a Pope that is unabashedly and publicly traditionalist. Really though we should be thankful for what we have, especially if we are blessed with the opportunities to worship and live in the traditional manner. Christ is King of everything but in the end His Kingdom is "not of this world" and so while it's good and noble to try to make Him the King and center of all hearts here on earth politically we should never lose sight of the otherworldly savor of Christianity. We have all the tools both natural and supernatural at our disposal to become holy and to have a place in that otherworldly kingdom...what else are we waiting for?

Somehow didn't see this when I posted, nor did I see Vox's last comments about a movement that "will most likely die all the way off as soon as the kids of the Toxic Trads turn 18" ...

I agree we have much to be grateful for and that this movement will likely remain very small.

But still  I do want to see this movement grow, even if it stays small. I want to see more people have TLM and other alternatives to Protestantised Catholicism.

I am genuinely thrilled if FE is helping that growth, helping stimulate groups of people that want more TLMs.

This started for me what Tim and Vox about a TON of work to be done. I agree - and also feel the pain that is being expressed here.
Catholics (USofA only?) are essentially and actually celebrating Reformation Sunday.  Forget the Kingship of Christ  Luther has practically been rehabilitated and the Church looks forward to 2017 and 500 years of Protestantism.  Pacts, accords, covenants, joint declarations, have already been gone through.  No turning back now.  Perhaps the cause of Luther for sainthood looms in the distance; what's only needed is to find that he lived a life of heroic virtue, etc., etc., etc., and be declared Servant of God (with the title "Venerable").

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