Lies, damn lies and statstics...
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Two interesting blog posts showing statistics about the future of the Catholic Church, Voris also had an episode devoted to this recently...

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...o-not-lie/

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...ned-about/

What happens when there is no diocesan EF Mass avaiilable, something people that attend a diocesan EF should consider. Attend the OF Mass or something else?
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(01-28-2014, 11:13 AM)CaptCrunch73 Wrote: Two interesting blog posts showing statistics about the future of the Catholic Church, Voris also had an episode devoted to this recently...

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...o-not-lie/

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...ned-about/

What happens when there is no diocesan EF Mass avaiilable, something people that attend a diocesan EF should consider. Attend the OF Mass or something else?

I'd probably try to find an Eastern church to go to, or go to the SSPX if there were no diocesan TLM's near me.

I'd also consider relocating someplace that had the Institute of Christ the King or the FSSP at a parish.  But a lot of these places are not major metropolitan areas and due to my wife's career we would need to live someplace in commuting distance to a major city.
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(01-28-2014, 11:13 AM)CaptCrunch73 Wrote: Two interesting blog posts showing statistics about the future of the Catholic Church, Voris also had an episode devoted to this recently...

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...o-not-lie/

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...ned-about/

What happens when there is no diocesan EF Mass avaiilable, something people that attend a diocesan EF should consider. Attend the OF Mass or something else?

Unfortunately (or fortunately to some) these numbers fail to tell a story. This is misuse of statistics. You don't draw conclusions like these in any serious academy. Correlation does not imply causation. This is part of the reason traditionalist claims may not be taken seriously by some people. I am myself very suspicious and immune to this kind of "fallacies". If you want to use academic data, use academic methods.

However, a great idea would come from this, if traditionalists are willing to prove their claims. It is a matter of conducting a research, probably not a small one, but considering all the dependent and independent variables. Now at least the debate can have a foundation. I would still be immune to this though  :P, as I am into interpretive research in my school, but most people are into quantitative numbers, so you could "win" some souls if you can prove this causation.
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(01-28-2014, 01:51 PM)Agnum Wrote:
(01-28-2014, 11:13 AM)CaptCrunch73 Wrote: Two interesting blog posts showing statistics about the future of the Catholic Church, Voris also had an episode devoted to this recently...

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...o-not-lie/

http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...ned-about/

What happens when there is no diocesan EF Mass avaiilable, something people that attend a diocesan EF should consider. Attend the OF Mass or something else?

Interesting analysis, it'

Unfortunately (or fortunately to some) these numbers fail to tell a story. This is misuse of statistics. You don't draw conclusions like these in any serious academy. Correlation does not imply causation. This is part of the reason traditionalist claims may not be taken seriously by some people. I am myself very suspicious and immune to this kind of "fallacies". If you want to use academic data, use academic methods.

However, a great idea would come from this, if traditionalists are willing to prove their claims. It is a matter of conducting a research, probably not a small one, but considering all the dependent and independent variables. Now at least the debate can have a foundation. I would still be immune to this though  :P, as I am into interpretive research in my school, but most people are into quantitative numbers, so you could "win" some souls if you can prove this causation.

Well, Agnum, thank you for your input. People like me with multiple degrees in computer science, an advanced degree in systems thinking as well as multiple published works are clearly wasting our time.... I'll be sure to move along now...
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