Dialogue Mass: What's the point?
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(02-20-2014, 04:56 AM)GodFirst Wrote:
(02-17-2014, 08:03 AM)Tim Wrote: Sorry omitted the "Solemn", but Cantata is not a High Mass, it's a low Mass but sung. In common parlance the Solemn was not said before Vatican II, either it was High or Low. Privata and Solemn are words which have come into usage since then. It's another little change to Tradition a sort of affectation. Privata usually meant a priest celebrating at a side altar for himself or a soul in purgatory, but that was the 14 th century not 1900's.

tim
Tim, to have you no idea what you are talking about. Go grab Fr. Fortescue's liturgical books, read them and then come back me to me.

And if anything it is the novel monastic "Missa privata" or Low Mass that will be a thing almost unheard of. I firmly believe the whole Church will look more "Eastern" in that. The Mass is more properly chanted. The Solemn Mass is the Mass. The low Mass is only an sort of "indult" which originated from the early monasteries who had too many people to offer Mass for. It was horrible to heard two or more Masses being sung at one time so the Church invented the low Mass to be said in a low tone so it wasn't all a confused mess in the churches.

What I told you is what was actually happening on the ground not some historical tome on the Mass.  This is the problem today, you all are divorced from what went before and read books to fill the gaps. I have never seen in a parish several Masses being celebrated simultaneously. In a Monastery the priests all said their daily Mass at those tiny altars, but that was not in the Parishes.

If you look in the St. Andrew Missal by Dom Gaspar Lefebvre O S B, published 1945, on pages: 936 and 937,.  Dialogata, Recitata, and Cantata are Low Masses. Solemn High Mass was certainly the proper term but was not in common usage because they were nearly non-existent in Parishes. In fact in my neighborhood the only Church which listed a High Mass at 10:00 am on Sundays was a very old and beautifully quaint Anglican / Episcopalean.

Books and actual facts are usually different because every scholar has his pre-conceived notion of reality and writes to support it from modernists and schoolmen both.

tim
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Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-10-2014, 08:40 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-10-2014, 10:44 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-14-2014, 05:01 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by AxxeArp - 02-14-2014, 06:48 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-14-2014, 08:41 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-15-2014, 08:56 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-15-2014, 11:33 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Gidge - 02-15-2014, 10:19 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-16-2014, 11:51 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-16-2014, 08:46 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-17-2014, 08:03 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-17-2014, 08:45 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-20-2014, 07:45 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-20-2014, 05:44 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-23-2014, 08:44 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Gidge - 02-24-2014, 07:27 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-25-2014, 07:39 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-25-2014, 02:00 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-26-2014, 08:54 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by SCG - 03-04-2014, 09:51 AM



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