Dialogue Mass: What's the point?
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(02-20-2014, 04:40 PM)GodFirst Wrote: Oh, so now Fr. Adrian Fortescue is a modernist. Now I've heard everything. Tim, I couldn't care less about what happened "on the ground". You probably don't even remember it correctly anyway. I will stick with today's common usage of terms for the Mass not what some internet elder says it was like in his one little parish in who knows where, USA. I will learn from the Catholic scholars and priests who came before us and not reject what their wisdom. I have a Missal too a Marian Missal, and it does not give those distinctions, because they are not real distinctions. The only distinction is between Sung (High, where "high" candles are lit) and not Sung but recited Mass (Low, with only the "low" candles lit).
Not to mention that your distinctions are pointless, because every trad now calls and considers the Missa Cantata a High Mass but just not a Solemn High Mass.

I have written here for years on what has passed. I am sort of an oral historian deepening the words which people read in books. I remember very well what went on before the Council. I was a kid and grew up in the Church with daily Mass attendance for 6 years. My distinctions are not mine but Dom Gaspar Lefebvre O S B.

I see you also don't understand me and what I wrote. I never said Fr. Fontescue was a modernist. I said from Modernists to Schoolmen all scholars have an agenda and it underlies their writings. It seems at first you were adamant the proper name was Solemn High Mass not the common High Mass.

A High Mass is not only sung, it has a sub-deacon and a deacon, and there are internal differences like the Sanctus and the Benedictus are separated. If they are sung one after the other the Mass is a Low Mass.

What the terms mean is Dialogata is the people make the responses. Recitata means they pray the ordinary along with the responses as in the Cantata but not sung. Cantata means the do the responses and ordinary and sing those parts if they can sing.

If you look in the St. Andrew Missal it explains as you go along the differences, and the parts the people are allowed to pray are bolded in black. If my memory is correct the St. Joseph Missal was similar. I've never looked in a Marian Missal, so you have me there.

I used the terms modernist and schoolmen  because many today think these Low Masses were the first step to the NO Mass. I say horsefeathers that was a complete departure.

tim
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Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-10-2014, 08:40 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-10-2014, 10:44 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-14-2014, 05:01 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by AxxeArp - 02-14-2014, 06:48 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-14-2014, 08:41 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-15-2014, 08:56 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-15-2014, 11:33 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Gidge - 02-15-2014, 10:19 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-16-2014, 11:51 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-16-2014, 08:46 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-17-2014, 08:03 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-17-2014, 08:45 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-20-2014, 07:45 AM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-20-2014, 05:44 PM
Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-23-2014, 08:44 AM
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Re: Dialogue Mass: What's the point? - by Tim - 02-26-2014, 08:54 AM
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