Y'all are gonna want to watch this...

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Then I found this in the "comment" section. The website of the Communion of Evangelical Episopal Churches.

http://www.theceec.org/index.html

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I did a google search on Bishop Tony Palmer and found this article written by Fr. Dwight Longenecker. It was posted only yesterday, Feb 21, 2014

http://foolishnesstotheworld.wordpress.c...ny-palmer/

[CaptCrunch73]

Well this is the problem with the ecumenical movement as it's being lived today. There is no call to conversion to the Catholic Faith. There is no longer the declaration, or belief, that Catholicism is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

[Unum Sint]

Quote:

"Palmer said that the Catholic-Protestant divisions have had no reason to exist since the 1999 Catholic-Lutheran Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification. The agreement recognized that "by grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works."
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Is this true? Is this what the Church believes? I thought Catholics believe it is a combination of Grace and Good Works?

Can someone clarify?

If we believe that then we would be truly in full sense semi-pelegians.

The key has always been the wrong understanding of the Lutheran (and others) "grace alone" part of it.

[Unum Sint]

I am speechless.

I wonder if he could call Mgr. Fellay his "brother bishop", or if he yearns unity with the catholics attached to the traditional "fashion"...

Archbishop Mueller referred to Bishop Fellay as a brother bishop and said that he yearns for unity with Catholics attached to the traditional "fashion."

Plus the language used will be different as SSPX is an internal Church matter.

[SouthpawLink]

Well this is the problem with the ecumenical movement as it's being lived today. There is no call to conversion to the Catholic Faith. There is no longer the declaration, or belief, that Catholicism is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

"As explicitly recognized in the Decree on Ecumenism of the Second Vatican Council, 'it is evident that the work of preparing and reconciling those individuals who desire full Catholic communion is of its nature distinct from ecumenical action, but there is no opposition between the two, since both proceed from the marvelous ways of God'" (CDFDoctrinal Note on Some Aspects of Evangelization, IV, n. 12e; Unitatis Redintegratio, n. 4).

Ecumenical action isn't of its nature about the return of dissidents to the true Church of Christ...

Oh, it's about full communion between the separated Churches/Communities and Rome, you say?  But this full communion doesn't involve absorption or fusion... so, how is it supposed to play out, then?

"... the recognition of a plurality of Churches within the Church implies two lines of change:

"(a) The Catholic has to recognize that his own Church is not yet prepared to accept the phenomenon of multiplicity in unity; he must orient himself toward this reality.  He must also recognize the need for a thorough Catholic renewal, something not to be accomplished in a day.  This requires a process of opening up, which takes time.  Meantime, the Catholic Church has no right to absorb the other Churches.  The Church has not yet prepared for them a place of their own, but this they are legitimately entitled to."

"(b) A basic unity – of churches that remain Churches, yet become one Church – must replace the idea of conversion, even though conversion retains its meaningfulness for those in conscience motivated to seek it."

What are heretical and schismatic sects, who teach heresy and other errors, with illicit and sometimes invalid sacraments, entitled to upon their corporate reunion with the Catholic Church?!

[jonbhorton]

"There is no greater enemy of the Immaculata and her Knighthood than today’s Ecumenism which every Knight must not only fight against, but also neutralize through diametrically opposed action and ultimately destroy"

(Saint Maximilian Maria Kolbe) ~ Entry of Diary dated April 23, 1933. Cited from The Immaculata Our Ideal, Father Karl Stehlin [Warsaw: Te Deum, 2005], p.37.

[formerbuddhist]

Like I've said before, just look at what the old Chair of Peter octave has been turned into--a Vatican/World Council of Churches Week for Christian Unity. This prayers for the octave were beautiful, heartfelt and charitable prayers for the return of those who had left the Church. Now the Vatican creates joint reflections with a heretical body ( the WCC) and there is absolutely nothing at all in any of the documents from this Chtistian Unity Week since it started where there is a single sentence calling for the return of those outside the Catholic Church back into her. Zero,zip,zilch.

[formerbuddhist]

And what MightForRight said is chilling but true...I take it a step further and say the antichrist will be an antipope. Just imagine that? The sedes have been saying for years that the new orientation of the Church indeed has only a side chapel for traditional Catholics,a place for ritual void of .dogma. Dogma is divisive, doctrine is devisive. The world church has to be vague enough to embrace everything and nothing. The post conciliar frenzy to find common ground.with everything under the sun has led.to the rapid decay of Catholicism. Even popes and high ranking prelates today say things that just sound downright not Catholic and those who raise.questions about it are treated like outcasts who refuse obedience. Strange times...