The Experiences of Homosexual Trads
(02-27-2014, 09:17 PM)Heorot Wrote: Vox, your intentions are lovely... it's just that... trying to teach normal, heterosexual people to accept us sounds very familiar, if you know what I mean - and not in a positive Christian way. It's exactly what the gay lobby's being doing for so long. I'm not sure I even care to "claim" my identity back from the liberals and atheists, because it's not really right. I dunno. I'm confused in more ways than one. :P

It'd be nice if the world was sinless.

What the present-day activists are doing is trying to normalize homosexuality and get folks to condone homosexual acts. I don't see trying to get people to understand homosexuality and to be empathetic and loving toward homosexuals as necessarily entailing either of the above at all.

You, of course, have your own decisions to make about how to describe yourself and whether to be "out," etc., and I wouldn't dream of saying that you, as an individual, should do this or that instead of the other! It's such a highly individualized thing and an outsider can't possibly know your particular situation. But I do agree with Loggats that, generally speaking, being "out" is a generally good thing, and my dream is for the trad world to be understanding of homosexuals who find it prudent, given the details of their lives, to be up front about it all. If I can tell the world I'm bipolar, a homosexual should be able to tell the world he's a homosexual without risking violence or being shunned, etc.

And again, to be very clear to folks reading over our shoulders, this is the Church's teaching on the topic of homosexuality:

From the Catechism Wrote:Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

IOW, being a homosexual is a "mere" disorder, and NOT a sin. It is NOT a sin to be a homosexual, to be honest and tell others you are homosexual, etc. What is sinful is acting on homosexual desires. The state of being homosexual needs to be accepted by others in the same way that the states of being bipolar or schizophrenic are accepted -- without shame, without risk of ridicule, shunning, or violence, etc.  Acting on homosexual desires is sinful -- and when talking about such sins, it's to be remembered that we're all sinners, that we can only judge acts but not souls, that we should remove the beams from our own eyes before engaging in fraternal correction (i.e., we should engage in fraternal correction with humility -- and with prudence), etc.

Just my two cents...


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Re: The Experiences of Homosexual Trads - by VoxClamantis - 02-27-2014, 09:51 PM

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