Norwegian nurses seek brit milah ban
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This will make Melkite happy. From the JTA:



Norwegian nurses seek brit milah ban
March 21, 2014 10:59am


(JTA) — Norway’s union of nurses urged the government to ban non-medical circumcision of boys under 15.

The Norwegian Nurses Organization reported the plea in an interview with its director, Astrid Grydeland Ersvik, which was posted Tuesday on the organization’s website.

“We need to gain acceptance for setting a minimum age limit of 15-16 years for circumcision, so that the boy himself can decide,” Grydeland Ersvik said, outlining a presentation she made to health ministry officials at a Feb. 27 meeting.

Grydeland Ersvik requested the meeting to discuss new regulations on circumcision that the health ministry said it would issue before summer.

In an interview for Aftenposten Wednesday, Health Minister Bent Hoie said his draft for the regulations proposes all circumcisions take place in hospitals but that he has no plans to ban the practice.

In her interview, Grydeland Ersvik said that although “the Jews are a small group in Norway, they have been allowed to influence the debate on this issue.”

She drew parallels between female genital mutilation, which is forbidden in Norway, and ritual circumcision of boys.

“If we get a law that allows this in boys while it is illegal in girls, then this is discriminatory,” she said.

Jewish groups have rejected the analogy, arguing that ritual circumcision for boys does not maim them and helps protect against diseases.

In October, Council of Europe assembly members passed a resolution against non-medical circumcision of boys, which calls circumcision a “violation of the physical integrity of children.”

That same month, government advisers on child welfare from Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Iceland issued a joint resolution in favor of banning the ritual circumcision of minors.

Among the leaders of the fight against circumcision in Norway is Anne Lindboe, the government’s children’s ombudswoman.

In November, she said Jews and Muslims would abstain from circumcising babies if they are educated about the risks. And in 2012, she proposed they express their faiths by performing a symbolic, non-surgical ritual instead of circumcision.

According to Hoie, some 2,000 ritual circumcisions are performed annually in Norway. Of those, only five to 10 are of Jews, according to Grydeland Ersvik.

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Basically this is one big fat, "No Jews Allowed" law, cause I cannot see Jews being able to live in Norway without being put in jail.
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As soon as the west allows this then it's a short step from "religious circumcision of males is child abuse"

to

"teaching fairy-tales and bronze age myths about sky-gods is psychological abuse of children" and should be banned.
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(03-22-2014, 04:30 PM)triumphguy Wrote: As soon as the west allows this then it's a short step from "religious circumcision of males is child abuse"

to

"teaching fairy-tales and bronze age myths about sky-gods is psychological abuse of children" and should be banned.

Yep it's not far off.....I never trust the Globalist Secularist agenda. Banning circumcision is part of that, because they already pushed the worshiping of sex on the people and now they have to push this idea that circumcised men cannot enjoy sex as much as an un-cut one....then we must ban circumcision because everyman enjoys the right to having a "better orgasm" why on Earth do these same nations/states who care so much about "human rights" regarding circumcision.......also want to push and peddle pornography, deviant sexual behaviors and contraception???

It's rage against morality.
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I'm going on 59 years old and my brother will be 61 this coming September.  We were both circumcised as were most hospital-born baby boys in the U.S. during the early-mid '50's.  I'm pretty ambivalent one way or the other on the issue myself.  However absent any religious mandate as with Jews and Muslims, I do believe it should be left up the young man when he "comes of age" whenever that might be.  As far as my brother and I are concerned, I think a big part of my parents' decision to have us both circumcised is the fact that our father's foreskin was uncomfortably tight even "at rest".
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Cutting the flesh off children without their consent IS ABUSIVE. What's so difficult to understand? When they're adults, they can decide to have circumcisions as members of whatever faith community they belong to where bodily mutilation is still practiced.
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(04-17-2014, 11:00 AM)loggats Wrote: Cutting the flesh off children without their consent IS ABUSIVE. What's so difficult to understand? When they're adults, they can decide to have circumcisions as members of whatever faith community they belong to where bodily mutilation is still practiced.

My newborn baby girl has a "posterior tongue tie."  It's not hurting her in any way except it makes breastfeeding excruciatingly painful for me.  I am contemplating getting her tongue clipped or at least trying to find a doctor that will do this.  I'm sure after a little snip snip she won't notice a thing.  Would you say I'm abusive?
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(04-17-2014, 12:04 PM)JubilateDeo83 Wrote:
(04-17-2014, 11:00 AM)loggats Wrote: Cutting the flesh off children without their consent IS ABUSIVE. What's so difficult to understand? When they're adults, they can decide to have circumcisions as members of whatever faith community they belong to where bodily mutilation is still practiced.

My newborn baby girl has a "posterior tongue tie."  It's not hurting her in any way except it makes breastfeeding excruciatingly painful for me.  I am contemplating getting her tongue clipped or at least trying to find a doctor that will do this.  I'm sure after a little snip snip she won't notice a thing.  Would you say I'm abusive?

I did a little research about this (had no idea what it was!) and it seems that it can cause all sorts of issues later in life, as well as issues during infancy. Do you really not see the difference between a necessary medical procedure and willful mutilation? If a boy needs to be circumcised later in life because of difficulties retracting the foreskin (and there are various ways that can be corrected without the extreme necessity of surgery) it would manifest when he is older, and can make a far more informed decision. Cutting off a man's foreskin is not a "little snip snip."
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They should make sure there's an exception for Jewish babies. It's a religious freedom issue.
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(04-17-2014, 02:13 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: They should make sure there's an exception for Jewish babies. It's a religious freedom issue.

I disagree. If an adult Jewish male wants to be circumcised, then he has that option. But how can you claim it's a parent's right to do that to their unconsenting child? It's a pretty much irreversible surgical procedure. Added to the fact, of course, that God doesn't expect it of our species in any way shape or form anymore. But I don't suppose that argument is either here nor there.

And you'd have to extend your "religious freedom issue" to Muslims too. Now, what about FGM....?
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