Pope: Repent or End Up in Hell
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ma...up-in-hell

Quote:Pope Francis has made his strongest attack to date on the mafia, telling organised crime bosses they will end up in hell if they do not "convert" and give up their lives of "bloodstained money [and] blood-stained power". In an echo of John Paul II's appeal to mafia dons to renounce their "culture of death", the Argentinian urged mafiosi to "stop doing evil" as he held an unprecedented meeting with hundreds of victims' relatives in Rome.

"I feel that I cannot conclude without saying a word to the protagonists who are absent today – the men and women mafiosi," he said, quietly but forcefully. "Please change your lives. Convert yourselves. Stop doing evil."

The meeting in a church near Vatican City was the first time a pontiff had taken part in events tied to a day of commemoration held annually by the anti-mafia organisation, Libera. During a prayer vigil, the names of 842 victims were read aloud.

In his address, Francis made special reference to an attack on Monday in the southern Italian province around the city of Taranto, in which three people – two adults and a toddler – were shot dead in an apparent mafia hit.

In January, he spoke out after a three-year-old boy was killed in an apparent attack by the 'Ndrangheta, the powerful Calabrian mafia. Then, too, Francis urged those involved to "repent and convert to the Lord". He has previously condemned organised crime for "exploiting and enslaving people".

On Friday, before a packed church, the pope said it was in the criminals' own interests to change their ways. "There is still time to avoid ending up in hell. That is what is waiting for you if you continue on this path," he said. "You have had a father and a mother. Think of them. Cry a little and convert."

Expressing the hope that a "sense of responsibility" would eventually win out over corruption globally, he added: "This life that you live now will not give you happiness. The power and money that you have now from many dirty dealings, from many mafia crimes, is bloodstained money, is bloodstained power – you cannot bring them with you to the next life."

Francis's stance on organised crime is in contrast with that of some of his 20th century predecessors, who were perceived as presiding over a church reluctant to criticise mafia bosses. Victims had to wait until 1993 to hear an explicit papal condemnation, when John Paul II urged the guilty to "convert" and warned them that judgment day was coming.

That was in May. In July, two Roman churches – San Giovanni in Laterano and San Giorgio in Velabro – were damaged in bomb attacks amid a wave of violence.

Organised crime controls almost all economic and criminal activity in Calabria, Sicily and parts of Campania and Apulia, and it has greatly extended its influence in Rome and Milan in the past two decades.

Italy's main crime groups – Sicily's Cosa Nostra, Calabria's 'Ndrangheta, and the Camorra from around the southern city of Naples – have a joint annual turnover of €116bn (£97bn), according to a United Nations estimate.

The mob continues to use violence and threats to keep its grip on its territory. Threats again st local government officials have risen 66% since 2010, when the figures were first collected, according to a report published on Friday.
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#2
Bravo, Holy Father...

Wasn't sure of Hell still existed, given the silence of prelates and priests in the last few decades. ;)
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#3
Nice to see less soft talk and more of the direct-approach similar to Our King and Heavenly Father.


While soft-talk is good and effective, it has been grossly over-used to where Sin, Judgment, Hell and Eschatology are things too taboo for the ambo
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#4
Hell still is a place!  I  thought Vac II did away with it. Have you gone to any N. O. Funerals lately where everyone is a saint and march off to glory.
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(03-22-2014, 11:18 AM)JCCMADD Wrote: Hell still is a place!   I  thought Vac II did away with it. Have you gone to any N. O. Funerals lately where everyone is a saint and march off to glory.

Of course Vatican II didn't do away with it. Hell is a state not a place. It's outside of our space and time.
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(03-22-2014, 07:03 AM)PolishTrad Wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ma...up-in-hell

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I post comments on the Grauniad as haggis95

The amount of vitriol I've received is appalling. But I keep posting to show that Catholics will not be kept quiet.
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(03-22-2014, 01:20 PM)triumphguy Wrote:
(03-22-2014, 11:18 AM)JCCMADD Wrote: Hell still is a place!   I  thought Vac II did away with it. Have you gone to any N. O. Funerals lately where everyone is a saint and march off to glory.

Of course Vatican II didn't do away with it. Hell is a state not a place. It's outside of our space and time.

What the hell did I just read?  :eyeroll:

If hell is a state and not a place, where did Jesus go when He died? And isn't a "state" just a condition of being? Which would imply that when Jesus went to hell He... oh my!

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#8
Don't panic: The Catechism published by Pope Pius X in 1908 defined hell by using the word "state" alone:

Q. 1379. What is Hell?
A. Hell is a state to which the wicked are condemned, and in which they are deprived of the sight of God for all eternity, and are in dreadful torments.
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(03-22-2014, 01:58 PM)triumphguy Wrote: Don't panic: The Catechism published by Pope Pius X in 1908 defined hell by using the word "state" alone:

Q. 1379. What is Hell?
A. Hell is a state to which the wicked are condemned, and in which they are deprived of the sight of God for all eternity, and are in dreadful torments.

I would say that hell ia both a state and a place. It is a place in that there is a physical place of the damned. It is a state in that it is the comolete absence of God
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#10
If Hell is a place, then certainly a very, very untypical one, since it is not physical. But for sure it'll be a place after the Last Judgment.
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