Of Those Who Experience Eternity and One Man Who Did On Good Friday
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I saw this article and was immediately reminded of our dear brother Tim who recently has passed and certainly knows if its all true or not. I personally think it is as are so many of the wonderful stories around Kibeho in Rwanda Apparitions and the people involved there, I would recommend reading the books on the subject by the seers there. There are some of the most compelling of apparition stories coming from there and such a rich store of amazing and inspirational accounts as well.

Here's a few short examples from there and others too (see the books) :


http://www.spiritdaily.com/heavenvision.htm

IN THE ANNALS OF THOSE WHO 'EXPERIENCE' ETERNITY IS THE ACCOUNT OF ONE MAN WHOSE DEATH WAS ON GOOD FRIDAY

Can you imagine dying on Good Friday?

It is certainly one of the holiest days.

In Africa, at a Church-approved apparition site, one of the visionaries, Vestine Salina, was taken on a "journey" through levels of the afterlife by the Blessed Mother on Good Friday, 1983 (she came out of her "coma" on Easter, after doctors and church officials, hearing no pulse, detecting no respiration, and finding no blood pressure, were ready to bury her). She saw Heaven but also: "Our Lady showed me an abyss filled with fire to explain that this is the eternal fire," said the seer. "But she told me that hell is not fire. It is the eternal suffering of not seeing God, of being deprived of God."

That was Kibeho in Rwanda. You can read about it here.

They saw three levels: "Isangano" -- the "place of communion" -- where seven handsome men in pure white cloaks were in a circle creating gorgeous music but with no instruments, "each note filled with a different sensation of contentment and joy"; "Isenderezwa z'ibyishimo" or the "place of the cherished of God," also part of Heaven; as well as purgatory: "Isesengurwa, a "place of purification" for those who "persevered."

"The last place we visited was a land of twilight where the only illumination was an unpleasant shade of red that reminded me of congealed blood," said another visionary, Anathalie Mukamaimpka, who still lives at Kibeho, seen often in deep prayer as she walks around the shrine. "The heat that rose from that world was stifling and dry -- it brushed my face like a flame, and I feared that my skin would blister and crack. I couldn't look at the countless people who populated that unhappy place because their misery and anguish pained me so greatly. Mary didn't have to say the name of this place... I knew I was in hell."

One day we will know where Jesus went between His death and Resurrection.

It's fascinating how consistently -- whether at apparitions of the Blessed Mother or during "death" brushes -- the point is made that we in our free will choose hell, if it's hell where we are heading. Said Fatima visionary Sister Lucia dos Santos in 1992: "Hell is a reality… Continue to preach about hell, for Our Lord Himself spoke of hell and it is in the Holy Scriptures. God condemns no one to hell. People condemn themselves to hell. God has given mankind the freedom of choice, and He respects this human freedom.” The exact same message has come from the reputed site of Medjugorje. “We saw many people in hell," said the seer Vicka Ivankovic. "Many are there already, and many more will go there when they die…The Blessed Mother says that those people who are in hell are there because they chose to go there. They wanted to go to hell…We all know that there are persons on this earth who simply don’t admit that God exists, even though He helps them, gives them life and sun and rain and food. He always tries to nudge them onto the path of holiness. They just say they don’t believe, and they deny Him. They deny Him, even when it is time to die. And they continue to deny Him, after they are dead. It is their choice. It is their will that they go to hell. They choose hell.,"  In greatest danger: atheists, "those who do not know the Love of God," in the words of yet another visionary.

[Here is a great prayer for atheists, with "wonderful promises" for those who pray it

[Note: At the apparition site of Medjugorje, Our Lady reportedly gave five wonderful promises, on September 2, 2012, for those who pray for atheists (the ones "who have not come to know the love of the Heavenly Father").

The promises are:

1. "I will strengthen you."
2. "I will fill you with my graces."
3. "With my love, I will protect you from the evil spirit."
4. "I will be with you."
5. "With my presence, I will console you in difficult moments."

The prayer:

"In the Name of Jesus, Who said that anything we ask in His Name will be
given to those who believe, I ask that those who have not come to know the
love of the Heavenly Father will be blessed with the knowledge that they are
loved by Him beyond all human reasoning and understanding. Please grant
them the gift to feel His love as it enfolds them to such an extent that they
will be unable to resist or deny it. May the knowledge of the Heavenly
Father's infinite love stir within their hearts the desire to return that love
to Him, and to reflect it to all others. May their lives be a pure
reflection of His resplendent love. I ask this in the Name of the Father, and
the Son, and the Holy Spirit, through the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Amen".]


Lately, we also came across a book, Heaven Visions: Glimpses into Glory, by a Christian blind man, Terry James, who died clinically at Saline Memorial Hospital in Benton, Arkansas, on Good Friday, April 22, 2011. His experience was of Heaven.

"My heart stopped working three times, and I was within ten seconds, according to the interventional cardiologist, of being beyond resuscitation," he says. "The defibrillator paddles were used each time to start my heart. When my heartbeat went silent, I didn't see Jesus or talk with Him. I didn't see the glorious city, Heaven," he said. "But what I did see was spectacular, and it made me totally unaware of ever having been anywhere else.

"This much I can say with certainty: Heaven is magnificent far beyond anything the most eloquent narrative by the greatest of novelists could ever begin to express. [People] beckoned me. A throng of cheering, brightly smiling, laughter-filled young men and women, their faces radiant with the glowing health of youth, wanted me to join them. I had never been more at peace, absolute calm surrounding me... within me. This was life at its apex, and I moved forward, my desire to be with them as powerful as their allure. A vividly colorful ambience generated by their love was overwhelming -- like the sun's radiance that warms to the very core. Momentarily I would be with them, a part of them. Nothing else entered my mind -- not questions about where I had been. I was here. This was real, and the reality was all-embracing. The young faces beamed with that shimmering glow, their eyes on me, their love gently tugging me toward them. Retrospectively, I longed to join them. I wanted to be a part of them more than anything I can remember ever wanting. I say 'retrospectively,' because at that moment I had no memories: no thought of the past, the future, or anything else -- just the desire to merge with this reality.'"

Alas, a moment later, James heard someone -- an earthly voice -- say, "I just hit him with the paddles!"  It was medical personnel. They were reviving him. "I remember thinking: NO! I don't want to leave. I never want to leave this wonderful place. The absolute peace had a gravity of its own, tugging me toward the throng, and I remember that the pull of the darkness in the opposite direction made the leaving emotionally draining. I wanted to stay forever, and yet everything again became dark, and I was thinking that I was having a nightmare. I was in the land of my longing, where I had always wanted to be - where I belonged. This was a bad dream trying to take me from my home. Surely I  soon would be back where I was safe, loved, and at peace. I would be back with those young people and the warn, inner glow would return. Then the realization came into focus in my thinking. I wasn't having a bad dream, I was having a heart attack. This was the reality. I was back on the gurney or the operating table of the cath lab."
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I would caution against Medjugorje.  No Catholic is allowed to participate in any event which presumes authenticity.

I would also caution against "near death experiences".  I strongly suspect they are most often diabolical.
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(03-26-2014, 10:27 AM)Jaegermeister Wrote: I would caution against Medjugorje.  No Catholic is allowed to participate in any event which presumes authenticity.

I would also caution against "near death experiences".  I strongly suspect they are most often diabolical.

Yes, this seems like another fake, just like Medjugorje.
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Kibeho troubles me because it's "Church approved" and I read about the apparitions in a book, and I thought it sounded as if the "Blessed Mother" (?) was sort of saying 'it didn't matter (to God) what religion you are.' So that apparition is very unsettling and problematic to me.
"Not only are we all in the same boat, but we are all seasick.” --G.K. Chesterton
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(03-26-2014, 04:29 PM)Jacafamala Wrote: Kibeho troubles me because it's "Church approved" and I read about the apparitions in a book, and I thought it sounded as if the "Blessed Mother" (?) was sort of saying 'it didn't matter (to God) what religion you are.' So that apparition is very unsettling and problematic to me.

Apparently, not all the visionaries are "approved"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Kibeho
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(03-29-2014, 02:13 AM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote:
(03-26-2014, 04:29 PM)Jacafamala Wrote: Kibeho troubles me because it's "Church approved" and I read about the apparitions in a book, and I thought it sounded as if the "Blessed Mother" (?) was sort of saying 'it didn't matter (to God) what religion you are.' So that apparition is very unsettling and problematic to me.

Apparently, not all the visionaries are "approved"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Kibeho

Who is Anathalie? is she Nathalie?
From your wiki link:
Approved sightings
Only the visions of the first three (Alphonsine, Nathalie, and Marie Claire aged 17, 20 and 21) received local Bishop Augustin Misago's solemn approval. There were reservations about the others and the supposed visions of Jesus in July 1982, so the bishop did not confirm their authenticity.[4]


From the book that creeped me out:

"...But Mary had told Anathalie that see didn't look at religion; all people were her children regardless of their beliefs."

Our Lady of Kibeho, by Immaculee Ilibagiza p.65


The above just can't be right. Our Lady just wouldn't say that.
"Not only are we all in the same boat, but we are all seasick.” --G.K. Chesterton
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(03-29-2014, 03:34 PM)Jacafamala Wrote:
(03-29-2014, 02:13 AM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote:
(03-26-2014, 04:29 PM)Jacafamala Wrote: Kibeho troubles me because it's "Church approved" and I read about the apparitions in a book, and I thought it sounded as if the "Blessed Mother" (?) was sort of saying 'it didn't matter (to God) what religion you are.' So that apparition is very unsettling and problematic to me.

Apparently, not all the visionaries are "approved"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Kibeho

Who is Anathalie? is she Nathalie?
From your wiki link:
Approved sightings
Only the visions of the first three (Alphonsine, Nathalie, and Marie Claire aged 17, 20 and 21) received local Bishop Augustin Misago's solemn approval. There were reservations about the others and the supposed visions of Jesus in July 1982, so the bishop did not confirm their authenticity.[4]


From the book that creeped me out:

"...But Mary had told Anathalie that see didn't look at religion; all people were her children regardless of their beliefs."

Our Lady of Kibeho, by Immaculee Ilibagiza p.65


The above just can't be right. Our Lady just wouldn't say that.

Bishops *can* screw up.  Maybe the next bishop of that area will fix it.
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(03-29-2014, 03:34 PM)Jacafamala Wrote:
(03-29-2014, 02:13 AM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote:
(03-26-2014, 04:29 PM)Jacafamala Wrote: Kibeho troubles me because it's "Church approved" and I read about the apparitions in a book, and I thought it sounded as if the "Blessed Mother" (?) was sort of saying 'it didn't matter (to God) what religion you are.' So that apparition is very unsettling and problematic to me.

Apparently, not all the visionaries are "approved"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Kibeho

Are you sure it's part of the vision record? I am praying 7 sorrows rosary. So, should I stop praying the rosary?

Appreciate your advice.
Who is Anathalie? is she Nathalie?
From your wiki link:
Approved sightings
Only the visions of the first three (Alphonsine, Nathalie, and Marie Claire aged 17, 20 and 21) received local Bishop Augustin Misago's solemn approval. There were reservations about the others and the supposed visions of Jesus in July 1982, so the bishop did not confirm their authenticity.[4]


From the book that creeped me out:

"...But Mary had told Anathalie that see didn't look at religion; all people were her children regardless of their beliefs."

Our Lady of Kibeho, by Immaculee Ilibagiza p.65


The above just can't be right. Our Lady just wouldn't say that.
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