Rorate Caeli: Many FI priests petitioning to be relieved of pontifical vows
(05-16-2014, 07:50 AM)SouthpawLink Wrote:
(05-16-2014, 06:56 AM)Miles Immaculatae Wrote:
(05-15-2014, 06:26 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote:
(05-15-2014, 12:47 PM)Scotus Wrote: Has anyone called him a heretic on this thread?

Miles Immaculatae, in Reply #2, stated, "I knew he was modernist all along."

And you, in Reply #3, stated, "I realised that Francis was far more brazenly heterodox than I had feared."

Are these not equivalent terms?

I don't like your attitude. But anyway, I'll answer your question...

1.) I do believe Pope Francis is Modernist.
2.) I have not now, nor ever said he was a formal heretic, and I refuse to say this, for I am silent on the matter, and if anyone wishes to put words in my mouth, then that is their call.
3.) Make of this what you will, but bare in mind, I may or may not share your estimation that these are equivalent terms.

I asked a sincere question; I was not being facetious.

Modernism is "the synthesis of all heresies," so it follows that a Modernist is a heretic.  The forum rules say that we are not allowed to refer to the Holy Father as a heretic, nor may we accuse him of heresy; no distinction is made therein between "formal heresy/heretic" and "material heresy/heretic."  Moreover, I'd dispute the idea that a Catholic can be a material heretic; this term's reserved for Protestants (there's a good article on this point to which I can link, if you'd like).  It's also unfathomable to me how a man as highly-educated as is Jorge Bergoglio/Pope Francis could somehow be inculpably ignorant of the Catholic Faith.  And what does it say of the College of Cardinals, who — not once but twice (he came in second in the conclave of 2005) — have thought so highly of an ignorant-of-the-faith Catholic priest/cardinal as to trust him with the ruling of Christ's Church?

I don't like your tone. You are intimating I have broken the forum rules, and you are trying to get me banned. You are trying to trick me into saying I think Pope Francis is a heretic. You are trying to say I have accused the Pope of heresy through your manipulative sophistry, and I don't like it. You have done it to another user as well.

The whole point of this forum is Traditional Catholicism. Traditional Catholicism is not merely about preferring the Traditional Mass, as various neo-Catholics are inclined to think. No, it is about resisting Modernism, and holding fast to the Traditional Faith in its entirely, which has been corrupted by Modernism.

I have never said John Paul II was a heretic. Never. But the Assisi events are Modernist, I wish they weren't, but they are, and there is no getting around that. If you want to reason that Pope John Paul II is a heretic, then that is entirely up to you. But I have never said that!

There was this thread recently about neo-Catholics taking over this forum. In this discussion there was also much criticism about snarky, alpha-male 'one-upmanship'. It really does bring the tone of the forum down. Please don't become one of them. Looking for fights, being cocky.

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Re: Rorate Caeli: Many FI priests petitioning to be relieved of pontifical vows - by Miles Immaculatae - 05-16-2014, 09:00 AM

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