Rorate Caeli: Many FI priests petitioning to be relieved of pontifical vows
(05-16-2014, 07:50 AM)SouthpawLink Wrote:
(05-16-2014, 06:56 AM)Miles Immaculatae Wrote:
(05-15-2014, 06:26 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote:
(05-15-2014, 12:47 PM)Scotus Wrote: Has anyone called him a heretic on this thread?

Miles Immaculatae, in Reply #2, stated, "I knew he was modernist all along."

And you, in Reply #3, stated, "I realised that Francis was far more brazenly heterodox than I had feared."

Are these not equivalent terms?
I don't like your attitude. But anyway, I'll answer your question...

1.) I do believe Pope Francis is Modernist.
2.) I have not now, nor ever said he was a formal heretic, and I refuse to say this, for I am silent on the matter, and if anyone wishes to put words in my mouth, then that is their call.
3.) Make of this what you will, but bare in mind, I may or may not share your estimation that these are equivalent terms.

I asked a sincere question; I was not being facetious.

Modernism is "the synthesis of all heresies," so it follows that a Modernist is a heretic.  The forum rules say that we are not allowed to refer to the Holy Father as a heretic, nor may we accuse him of heresy; no distinction is made therein between "formal heresy/heretic" and "material heresy/heretic."  Moreover, I'd dispute the idea that a Catholic can be a material heretic; this term's reserved for Protestants (there's a good article on this point to which I can link, if you'd like).  It's also unfathomable to me how a man as highly-educated as is Jorge Bergoglio/Pope Francis could somehow be inculpably ignorant of the Catholic Faith.  And what does it say of the College of Cardinals, who — not once but twice (he came in second in the conclave of 2005) — have thought so highly of an ignorant-of-the-faith Catholic priest/cardinal as to trust him with the ruling of Christ's Church?

According to your reasoning, you seem to imply that Pope Francis is not modernist, at all. I think that is naive. According to the evidence, it is clear that Pope Francis is at the very least influenced by Modernism, as we have seen in his words, theology, and praxis.

(Disclaimer: I am not accusing the Holy Father of being a heretic, please see my posts above)

I request that the forum moderator clarify the position of the forum. Is it permissible that we imply the post-conciliar pontiffs have been influenced by modernism, or does this equal accusing them of being formal heretics, and thus break forum rules?


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Re: Rorate Caeli: Many FI priests petitioning to be relieved of pontifical vows - by Miles Immaculatae - 05-16-2014, 09:11 AM

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