Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi
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(06-23-2014, 02:39 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:59 PM)Deidre Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 01:01 PM)J Michael Wrote:
(06-23-2014, 09:11 AM)Deidre Wrote: Somehow, I don't think that they've been formally excommunicated.  ???

Why not?

Because formal excommunication (latae ferendae) requires that the guilty party be warned of the seriousness of his crime, including the fact that he can be excommunicated for it, and be given the chance to repent. Then, if the criminal doesn't repent, there's a trial and the sentence is formally imposed, with written notification being sent to the criminal himself and his diocese. It's not something that the Pope imposes in "off-the-cuff comments" before an audience of pilgrims. Given the Pope's other remarks that were quoted, it seems asthough he was using "excommunicated" to illustrate a point, rather than in its formal, legal sense.

Source: The Catholic Encyclopedia

In the new canon law, if I'm not mistaken, there are excommunications latae setentiae, that is, made by the force of the act themselves and not by an action of the bishop. I believe the only requirement is that the sinner knows it is an act that causes by its very force excommunication, and this (inform them) everyone can do.

This is true. The acts incurring latae sententiae excommunication can be found here:  http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/Q1.HTM

They include:
  apostasy, heresy, or schism
  throwing away the consecrated species, or taking or obtaining them for a sacreligious purpose
  using physical force against the Pope
  a priest absolving his accomplice from sins against the 6th Commandment, except in danger of death
  a bishop consecrating someone a bishop without permission from the Pope
  the person(s) so consecrated
  a confessor who directly violates the Seal of Confession
  a person who procures a completed abortion

Suffice it to say that not all grave sins incur latae sententiae excommunication, although they do banish sanctifying grace from the soul and thus destroy the soul's friendship with God.

And if the Pope were to say that a group that I happen to be a member of is "excommunicated," in the same way as he said it in the article quoted, I wouldn't worry about the actual penalty being imposed on me. I'd look at whether anything in my life would give the impression that I was "not in communion with God," but I wouldn't feel that I couldn't participate in public worship or receive the Sacraments (except Holy Communion, of course, if I happened to be in a state of mortal sin).
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Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by VoxClamantis - 06-22-2014, 08:25 AM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by PolishTrad - 06-22-2014, 08:27 AM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by Zea mays - 06-22-2014, 10:15 AM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by McNider - 06-22-2014, 11:03 AM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by SCG - 06-22-2014, 01:35 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by NorthernTrad - 06-22-2014, 09:34 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by AllSeasons - 06-22-2014, 10:16 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by Poche - 06-22-2014, 11:40 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by Deidre - 06-23-2014, 09:11 AM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by J Michael - 06-23-2014, 01:01 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by Deidre - 06-23-2014, 01:59 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by J Michael - 06-23-2014, 02:18 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by Deidre - 06-23-2014, 03:36 PM
Re: Pope Excommunicates Mafiosi - by Cyriacus - 06-23-2014, 07:18 PM



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