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(07-20-2014, 05:47 PM)Dirigible Wrote: 1. It was a fad.
2. The ordinary sexual practices made it even more of a fad.
3. Women naturally tend to crave male dominance, so when they don't get it in small doses like they would in a traditional marriage, they get it in extreme doses instead, hence the massive explosion in women desiring debasing sexual practices of late [BDSM, group sex, etc]. I could theorise as to why men desire these things if anyone would care to hear it.

That's the best explanation I can come up with. 50 Shades is a gentle entry into that sort of world for inquisitive women, who then come up with these absurd justifications for why they like it so much, because "I want a man to dominate me" sounds wrong in feminist ears.

Men don't desire these things. Individuals who are openly obstinate in their rejection of God desire these things because their souls are starving.
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(07-20-2014, 07:19 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: Men don't desire these things. Individuals who are openly obstinate in their rejection of God desire these things because their souls are starving.

"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’"
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(07-17-2014, 03:03 PM)Andùril Wrote:
(07-14-2014, 12:23 AM)divinesilence80 Wrote: Really?!?!?!?!? Good luck trying to tell your non-trad wife you don't think she should use birth control and go the NFP route! That will go over REAL big in today's "rah rah career girl" atmosphere. You have heard of the "war on women" being raged by us straight, white, practicing Catholic guys right? The last thing today's women want is to "look up to a man." I think many of today's women have bigger egos than their great great great great grandads did and following men is the last thing on their "maybe never" list.

I think you greatly underestimate the power of influence women have. Most women can reduce most men to a drooling idiot without even saying a word. Look at the liberal men out there. Liberal women say jump and they say "how high to 1,000,000th place and should I bow on the way down?"

I think you greatly underestimate the power of authority men have. The only reason liberal men today have become drooling idiots, is themselves. They are are the ones who allowed feminism to flourish, because, let's face it, feminism has rid them of many of their traditional responsibilities. And now, liberal men are afraid of putting their foot down, for fear of being dumped, or legally sanctioned, or called SCARY words such as MISOGYNIST or MACHO. Because they've turned into cowards, and they revel in this comfortable state of utter spinelessness. If they had a little more courage, trust me, they could set this world straight again.

Trad men need to be careful not to act like liberals; instead, they need to take the reigns. Trust me, deep down, most women aren't raging feminists who'll rip you apart and take all your money. Most liberal women are simply brainwashed, and a capable man with guts could easily convert them. It's not for everyone, of course, but those who are naturally outspoken shouldn't be afraid of giving it a shot.

It all boils down to having guts. Most people respond to that, believe me.

(Yes I'm angry, but not with you, DivineSilence.)

Men have no inherent authority.  The first man lost everything except his animal life.  Authentic authority must be earned, which is very, very, very hard to do.  It doesn't matter whether you are a man or a woman.

What you are basically saying is that male gender automatically confers authority and that female gender automatically confers subjection to that innate male authority.

I'm not sure this is accurate.
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(07-21-2014, 10:49 AM)Joseph11 Wrote: Men have no inherent authority.  The first man lost everything except his animal life.  Authentic authority must be earned, which is very, very, very hard to do.  It doesn't matter whether you are a man or a woman.

What you are basically saying is that male gender automatically confers authority and that female gender automatically confers subjection to that innate male authority.

I'm not sure this is accurate.

Though I'd hate to embark in yet another discussion on the sexes, the male does have authority, according to Ss. Paul and Peter: Ephesians 5, I Timothy 2, Titus 2, I Peter 3. Also, in Genesis the commands of God are taught by God to Adam, and only after that Eve is created: Adam must then be Eve's teacher; and in fact when Adam falls God points his error: “And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife”.

But of course, the sort of authority and difference is not the same sort of authority and difference that we see in the world. Its not authority that is violent, taking its pleasure and its power from violence. It is rather the sort of authority that the King that becomes a slave and dies for His subjects have, as S. Paul points out in Ephesians 5. Similarly, difference is not violence, just like the Son being different from the Father is not an alienation, but its rather the condition of love, thus the condition of the very essence of God (of course, I speak analogically).
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#35
Well said, Renatus Frater!

(07-17-2014, 09:41 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: You mean the kind of guts the 5 men on the Supreme Court showed followed by the dozens of female journalists that thought the decision was the end of world (oh wait its still here....darn)??? Capable man with guts convert liberal women?!?!?!? Did I hear that right?

What a silly example. 5 gutsy men are not enough to convert an entire liberal world. Also, I was actually referring to one-on-one relationships.

Quote:Also, men have 0 authority. That was a tale cooked up many millenia ago by elitist men to organize the passing on of their stuff to their own offspring, and not illegitimate offspring their wife/wives may have had. For the rest of the men out there, it just made them feel important to the cycle of life. Given that government and women usurped even the faux authority the men of old had, men these days aren't left with much even to play pretend with anymore. I tend to find that a good number of women are happy to "yield authority" when there is a chance a responsibility coming with that "authority" that they don't like. Perhaps trad women are different, but even if that  were the case, trad women are VERY small in number.

Elitist men? Men wanting to feel important to the cycle of life? Why are you using feminist rhetoric? Part of their propaganda consisted in making men think that their authority was abusive, and derived from their own selfishness. But men are supposed to have authority, it's the natural order of things. See post above.

Quote:I agree liberal men allow feminism to flourish, but so do conservative men. Conservative men put their princess on pedestal. Then when she finds out that society doesn't indulge her like daddy does, she throws a hissy and becomes just as rotten as her feminist sisters who think they are entitled to something special. I also think some trad people feel that as long as they are at home raising 5 kids and homeschooling them that they get off the hook on fighting against feminism. What kind of world are you leaving your kids if you ignore the devastation feminism is causing and has caused? It is SAD that people were cheering the recent extremely narrow Hobby Lobby decision as some victory. The fact that things have gotten this bad in the first place is disgusting. The "not in my backyard" attitude doesn't work.

Most women don't actually want to be put on a pedestal. Why would they? Being put on a pedestal is a terrifying thing when you are an imperfect being. Because you know you can never live up to it. Conservative men who put their women on a pedestal are acting exactly like liberals. So are women who expect to be treated like princesses. We are more infected by liberalism than we think...
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(07-23-2014, 12:51 PM)Andùril Wrote: What a silly example. 5 gutsy men are not enough to convert an entire liberal world. Also, I was actually referring to one-on-one relationships.

Fair enough. Anybody on here try to tell a liberal woman on-on-one no birth control? How did it go?

(07-23-2014, 12:51 PM)Andùril Wrote: Elitist men? Men wanting to feel important to the cycle of life? Why are you using feminist rhetoric? Part of their propaganda consisted in making men think that their authority was abusive, and derived from their own selfishness. But men are supposed to have authority, it's the natural order of things. See post above.

My words were not quite feminist rhetoric. Saying men SHOULD have authority and saying men HAVE the authority is 2 different things. Also, I do not see this supposed "authority" as anything significant. It's not some glorious power of influence that inspires woman to yield to man. It clearly didn't stop the fall and didn't stop feminism from coming into existence. If it exists at all, it sounds pretty useless to me.

(07-23-2014, 12:51 PM)Andùril Wrote: Most women don't actually want to be put on a pedestal. Why would they? Being put on a pedestal is a terrifying thing when you are an imperfect being. Because you know you can never live up to it. Conservative men who put their women on a pedestal are acting exactly like liberals. So are women who expect to be treated like princesses. We are more infected by liberalism than we think...

I disagree, I think women enjoy their pedestal as long as they are calling the shots. They don't accept the responsibilities that come with privileges. You've got more than half the women in the US voting for pro-abortion / pro-contraception presidents like B.O. in the name of equality. How many do you see advocating for Selective Service requirements for women? Not many if any! That's what I mean by women overall picking and choosing the goodies while rejecting the "unpleasant responsibilities" that come with "equality." Trad Catholic women may subscribe to the ideal of male authority, but the majority of women out there do not unless they get something out of it. I wouldn't call sticking men with the bill while women get the charge card "authority" on the part of men.
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#37
Oh, not again! Every single time with my posts.
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(08-06-2014, 06:18 AM)GodFirst Wrote: Oh, not again! Every single time with my posts.

What's wrong?
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