Studying Islam
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(10-14-2014, 11:34 PM)Poche Wrote: It has been my observation that Muslims interpret the Coran in the same manner that we Catholics interpret the Bible.

How so, there's no central teaching authority, no consensus. Its a major issue in Islam  when a man as Al-Baghdadi  can interpret and emulate Mohammed 7th century Islam .  I don't understand what you saying?

Catholics don't interpret scripture in the strictest sense, the Church does.  And throughout the year in cycle.  Catholics who attend Church as required are taught the Bible at mass without even knowing it.

And just to add, though not your point, frankly I find the idea "we should ask a Islamic scholar" anything at all, suspect to say the least and my example of an Islamic scholar is, well, Al-Baghdadi.  Is there another dictator which one should pay more astute attention to?  Good and radical Islam wants to conquer the world and that my friend is slavery.  In fact I give Al-Baghdadi credit. I can accept an honest man  be it I agree with him or not.
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#32
Baghdadi actually is an Islamic scholar. He has a PhD in Islamic theology, and he fought Islamic theology and Islamic History at the University of Baghdad.
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#33
Al-Baghdadi  perhaps isn't the best example and I'm sure to many he is an embarrassment, for sure to all religious who truly seek peace as they profess.  He brings an interesting point which I think in all the confusion has been sorta missed, where the radical line is and what is its cause.  I think many would say Jesus Christ ignorance from Christianity.  Still we are talking world wide morality and the phenom that war has always existed historically.  True, religion is indeed a cause of conflict, still an honest research on man and war provides a very long list of why men kill  So for example if I was say Islam believes in permeating the world then by what consensus is this true of men today in Islam in regards to violence and tolerance. The further question from a secular point of view is what responsibility we have with such delusional thinking, would surely be the secular response as I imagine it would with any religious destructiveness.  So consensus becomes imperative as from a view of permeating the world often leaves no tolerance with the secular way of life which Islam defends against.  When people say they have found the absolute truth, then they also believe there is no turning back from it.  So the degree is in relation to their level of sharia law within their ruling countries and a contingent on understanding of their own scriptures. This changes by rule as we seen in Egypt when intolerance simply becomes public outcry.
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(10-15-2014, 07:19 AM)WoundedHealer Wrote:
(10-14-2014, 11:34 PM)Poche Wrote: It has been my observation that Muslims interpret the Coran in the same manner that we Catholics interpret the Bible.

How so, there's no central teaching authority, no consensus. Its a major issue in Islam  when a man as Al-Baghdadi  can interpret and emulate Mohammed 7th century Islam .  I don't understand what you saying?

Catholics don't interpret scripture in the strictest sense, the Church does.  And throughout the year in cycle.  Catholics who attend Church as required are taught the Bible at mass without even knowing it.

And just to add, though not your point, frankly I find the idea "we should ask a Islamic scholar" anything at all, suspect to say the least and my example of an Islamic scholar is, well, Al-Baghdadi.  Is there another dictator which one should pay more astute attention to?  Good and radical Islam wants to conquer the world and that my friend is slavery.  In fact I give Al-Baghdadi credit. I can accept an honest man  be it I agree with him or not.

There was an Islamic scholar in Mosul who opposed Baghdadi's mistreatment of the Christians. He was put to death for what he said. I suspect that this person is in Heaven with the Holy Innocents for having been put to death for his defense of the rights of Christians.
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(10-15-2014, 07:19 AM)WoundedHealer Wrote:
(10-14-2014, 11:34 PM)Poche Wrote: It has been my observation that Muslims interpret the Coran in the same manner that we Catholics interpret the Bible.

How so, there's no central teaching authority, no consensus. Its a major issue in Islam  when a man as Al-Baghdadi  can interpret and emulate Mohammed 7th century Islam .  I don't understand what you saying?

Catholics don't interpret scripture in the strictest sense, the Church does.  And throughout the year in cycle.  Catholics who attend Church as required are taught the Bible at mass without even knowing it.

And just to add, though not your point, frankly I find the idea "we should ask a Islamic scholar" anything at all, suspect to say the least and my example of an Islamic scholar is, well, Al-Baghdadi.  Is there another dictator which one should pay more astute attention to?  Good and radical Islam wants to conquer the world and that my friend is slavery.  In fact I give Al-Baghdadi credit. I can accept an honest man  be it I agree with him or not.

We have to engage the Muslims in order to lead them to Christ. Jesus asked the Jewish doctors of the law many questions. 
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(10-15-2014, 07:19 AM)WoundedHealer Wrote:
(10-14-2014, 11:34 PM)Poche Wrote: It has been my observation that Muslims interpret the Coran in the same manner that we Catholics interpret the Bible.

How so, there's no central teaching authority, no consensus. Its a major issue in Islam  when a man as Al-Baghdadi  can interpret and emulate Mohammed 7th century Islam .  I don't understand what you saying?

Catholics don't interpret scripture in the strictest sense, the Church does.  And throughout the year in cycle.  Catholics who attend Church as required are taught the Bible at mass without even knowing it.

And just to add, though not your point, frankly I find the idea "we should ask a Islamic scholar" anything at all, suspect to say the least and my example of an Islamic scholar is, well, Al-Baghdadi.  Is there another dictator which one should pay more astute attention to?  Good and radical Islam wants to conquer the world and that my friend is slavery.  In fact I give Al-Baghdadi credit. I can accept an honest man  be it I agree with him or not.

That is right. ther eis no central teaching authority in Islam. However tehy don't all interpret the Coran in the strictest sense either. Many years ago an Islamic pundit criticized be for the "Christian" attitude towards the Bible. He held up the King james version of teh Bible and quoted something out of it. I interupted him and said that he didn't know what he was talking about. First o all the criticism that he made in reference to me was the same criticism that we as Catholics make with reference to Protestants. Secondly, I told him that he was using the wrong Bible in talking that way to me becausehe was holding a Protestant Bible and not a Catholic Bible.     
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(10-21-2014, 12:13 AM)Poche Wrote:
(10-15-2014, 07:19 AM)WoundedHealer Wrote:
(10-14-2014, 11:34 PM)Poche Wrote: It has been my observation that Muslims interpret the Coran in the same manner that we Catholics interpret the Bible.

How so, there's no central teaching authority, no consensus. Its a major issue in Islam  when a man as Al-Baghdadi  can interpret and emulate Mohammed 7th century Islam .  I don't understand what you saying?

Catholics don't interpret scripture in the strictest sense, the Church does.  And throughout the year in cycle.  Catholics who attend Church as required are taught the Bible at mass without even knowing it.

And just to add, though not your point, frankly I find the idea "we should ask a Islamic scholar" anything at all, suspect to say the least and my example of an Islamic scholar is, well, Al-Baghdadi.  Is there another dictator which one should pay more astute attention to?  Good and radical Islam wants to conquer the world and that my friend is slavery.  In fact I give Al-Baghdadi credit. I can accept an honest man  be it I agree with him or not.

That is right. ther eis no central teaching authority in Islam. However tehy don't all interpret the Coran in the strictest sense either. Many years ago an Islamic pundit criticized be for the "Christian" attitude towards the Bible. He held up the King james version of teh Bible and quoted something out of it. I interupted him and said that he didn't know what he was talking about. First o all the criticism that he made in reference to me was the same criticism that we as Catholics make with reference to Protestants. Secondly, I told him that he was using the wrong Bible in talking that way to me becausehe was holding a Protestant Bible and not a Catholic Bible.   

Salafist Jihadism above with Isis, also

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWahhabi_movement&ei=79JGVJ3UJZK3yATEo4D4BA&usg=AFQjCNEr24Sjks3TQKhyFwC0HHPmu58MFA&sig2=LrRaLxub5JNI2zmAZDKV2g


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

The bio of Al-Baghdadi

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.siteintelgroup.com%2Fblog%2Findex.php%2Fentry%2F226-the-story-behind-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi&ei=vtBGVO3wHoaRyASY44LQAw&usg=AFQjCNGpMCto5Z4ldYJPc0Vgt2ojD90COA&sig2=NzW_Wosn4R8xyqIRUZ7S7w


Right a somewhat similar situation with interpretation occurs in Christianity, which goes further to mainline Islam also with authority. 
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