The 11 Most Destructive Nutrition Lies Ever Told
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I was going to respond to the high carb diet thread, but I thought this article would put it down better. High Carb diets are fine, if you're thin already, but if you aren't, it could make you sick in the long run. Any diet that isn't a mix of good stuff and of varying types of food will cause weight loss. Its a kind of starvation, so the results are usually weight loss, but it will rain havoc on your over all health.

Here's a great article on the subject of diet:

Keyboard Warrior

http://www.healinghealth.in/2014/12/the-...-lies.html

The 11 Most Destructive Nutrition Lies Ever Told

There is a lot of misinformation circling around in mainstream nutrition.

Here are the top 11 biggest lies, myths and misconceptions of mainstream nutrition.

1. Eggs Are Unhealthy
There’s one thing that nutrition professionals have had remarkable success with… and that is demonizing incredibly healthy foods. The worst example of that is eggs, which happen to contain a large amount of cholesterol and were therefore considered to increase the risk of heart disease.
But recently it has been proven that the cholesterol in the diet doesn’t really raise the cholesterol in blood. In fact, eggs primarily raise the “good” cholesterol and are NOT associated with increased risk of heart disease (1, 2).
What we’re left with is one of the most nutritious foods on the planet. They’re high in all sorts of nutrients along with unique antioxidants that protect our eyes (3). To top it all of, despite being a “high fat” food, eating eggs for breakfast is proven to cause significant weight loss compared to bagels for breakfast (4, 5).

    Bottom Line: Eggs do not cause heart disease and are among the most nutritious foods on the planet. Eggs for breakfast can help you lose weight.

2. Saturated Fat is Bad For You
A few decades ago it was decided that the epidemic of heart disease was caused by eating too much fat, in particular saturated fat. This was based on highly flawed studies and political decisions that have now been proven to be completely wrong.
A massive review article published in 2010 looked at 21 prospective epidemiological studies with a total of 347.747 subjects. Their results: absolutely no association between saturated fat and heart disease (6).
The idea that saturated fat raised the risk of heart disease was an unproven theory that somehow became conventional wisdom (7). Eating saturated fat raises the amount of HDL (the “good”) cholesterol in the blood and changes the LDL from small, dense LDL (very bad) to Large LDL, which is benign (8, 9).
Meat, coconut oil, cheese, butter… there is absolutely no reason to fear these foods.

    Bottom Line: Newer studies have proven that saturated fat does not cause heart disease. Natural foods that are high in saturated fat are good for you.

3. Everybody Should be Eating Grains
The idea that humans should be basing their diets on grains has never made sense to me. The agricultural revolution happened fairly recently in human evolutionary history and our genes haven’t changed that much.
Grains are fairly low in nutrients compared to other real foods like vegetables. They are also rich in a substance called phytic acid which binds essential minerals in the intestine and prevents them from being absorbed (10).
The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat… and wheat can cause a host of health problems, both minor and serious. Modern wheat contains a large amount of a protein called gluten, but there is evidence that a significant portion of the population may be sensitive to it (11, 12, 13).
Eating gluten can damage the intestinal lining, cause pain, bloating, stool inconsistency and tiredness (14, 15). Gluten consumption has also been associated with schizophrenia and cerebellar ataxia, both serious disorders of the brain (16, 17).

    Bottom Line: Grains are relatively low in nutrients compared to other real foods like vegetables. The gluten grains in particular may lead to a variety of health problems.

4. Eating a Lot of Protein is Bad For Your Bones and Kidneys
A high protein diet has been claimed to cause both osteoporosis and kidney disease.
It is true that eating protein increases calcium excretion from the bones in the short term, but the long term studies actually show the opposite effect.
In the long term, protein has a strong association with improved bone health and a lower risk of fracture (18, 19). Additionally, studies don't show any association of high protein with kidney disease in otherwise healthy people (20, 21).
In fact, two of the main risk factors for kidney failure are diabetes and high blood pressure. Eating a high protein diet improves both (22, 23). If anything, a high protein diet should be protective against osteoporosis and kidney failure!

    Bottom Line: Eating a high protein diet is associated with improved bone health and a lower risk of fracture. High protein also lowers blood pressure and improves diabetes symptoms, which should lower the risk of kidney failure.

5. Low-Fat Foods Are Good For You
Do you know what regular food tastes like when all the fat has been taken out of it? Well, it tastes like cardboard. No one would want to eat it.
The food manufacturers know this and therefore they add other things to compensate for the lack of fat. Usually these are sweeteners… sugar, high fructose corn syrup or artificial sweeteners like aspartame.
We’ll get to the sugar in a moment, but I’d like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar.
In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26).
In these low-fat products, healthy natural fats are being replaced with substances that are extremely harmful.

    Bottom Line: Low-fat foods are usually highly processed products loaded with sugar, corn syrup or artificial sweeteners. They are extremely unhealthy.

6. You Should Eat Many Small Meals Throughout The Day
The idea that you should eat many small meals throughout the day in order to “keep metabolism high” is a persistent myth that doesn’t make any sense.
It is true that eating raises your metabolism slightly while you’re digesting the meal, but it’s the total amount of food that determines the energy used, NOT the number of meals.
This has actually been put to the test and refuted multiple times. Controlled studies where one group eats many small meals and the other the same amount of food in fewer meals show that there is literally no difference between the two (27, 28). In fact, one study in obese men revealed that eating 6 meals per day led to less feelings of fullness compared to 3 meals (29).
Not only is eating so often practically useless for most of the people out there, it may even be harmful. It is not natural for the human body to be constantly in the fed state. In nature, we used to fast from time to time and we didn’t eat nearly as often as we do today.
When we don’t eat for a while, a cellular process called autophagy cleans waste products out of our cells (30). Fasting or not eating from time to time is good for you. Several observational studies show a drastically increased risk of colon cancer (4th most common cause of cancer death), numbers going as high as a 90% increase for those who eat 4 meals per day compared to 2 (31, 32, 33).

    Bottom Line: There is no evidence that eating many small meals throughout the day is better than fewer, bigger meals. Not eating from time to time is good for you. Increased meal frequency is associated with colon cancer.

7. Carbs Should Be Your Biggest Source of Calories
The mainstream view is that everyone should eat a low-fat diet, with carbs being around 50-60% of total calories. This sort of diet contains a lot of grains and sugars, with very small amounts of fatty foods like meat and eggs. This type of diet may work well for some people, especially those who are naturally lean.
But for those who are obese, have the metabolic syndrome or diabetes, this amount of carbohydrates is downright dangerous. This has actually been studied extensively. A low-fat, high-carb diet has been compared to a low-carb, high-fat diet in multiple randomized controlled trials.
The results are consistently in favor of low-carb, high-fat diets (34, 35, 36).

    Bottom Line: The low-fat, high-carb diet is a miserable failure and has been proven repeatedly to be vastly inferior to lower-carb, higher-fat diets.

8. High Omega-6 Seed and Vegetable Oils Are Good For You
Polyunsaturated fats are considered healthy because some studies show that they lower your risk of heart disease.
But there are many types of polyunsaturated fats and they are not all the same. Most importantly, we have both Omega-3 fatty acids and Omega-6 fatty acids.
Omega-3s are anti-inflammatory and lower your risk of many diseases related to inflammation (37). Humans actually need to get Omega-6s and Omega-3s in a certain ratio. If the ratio is too high in favor of Omega-6, it can cause problems (38).
By far the biggest sources of Omega-6 in the modern diet are processed seed and vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower oils. Throughout evolution, humans never had access to such an abundance of Omega-6 fats. It is unnatural for the human body.
Research that specifically looks at Omega-6 fatty acids instead of polyunsaturated fats in general shows that they actually increase the risk of heart disease (39, 40). Eat your Omega-3s and consider supplementing with cod fish liver oil, but avoid the industrial seed and vegetable oils.

    Bottom Line: Humans need to get Omega-6 and Omega-3 fats in a certain ratio. Eating excess Omega-6 from seed oils raises your risk of disease.

9. Low Carb Diets Are Dangerous
I personally believe low-carb diets to be a potential cure for many of the most common health problems in western nations.
The low-fat diet peddled all around the world is fairly useless against many of these diseases. It simply does not work.
However, low-carb diets (demonized by nutritionists and the media) have repeatedly been shown to lead to much better outcomes.
Every randomized controlled trial on low-carb diets shows that they:

    Reduce body fat more than calorie-restricted low-fat diets, even though the low-carb dieters are allowed to eat as much as they want (41, 42).
    Lower blood pressure significantly (43, 44).
    Lower blood sugar and improve symptoms of diabetes much more than low-fat diets (45, 46, 47, 48).
    Increase HDL (the good) cholesterol much more (49, 50).
    Lower triglycerides much more than low-fat diets (51, 52, 53).
    Change the pattern of LDL (bad) cholesterol from small, dense (very bad) to Large LDL, which is benign (54, 55).
    Low carb diets are also easier to stick to, probably because they don’t require you to restrict calories and be hungry all the time. More people in the low-carb groups make it to the end of the studies (56, 57).

Many of the health professionals that are supposed to have our best interest in mind have the audacity to claim that these diets are dangerous, then continue to peddle their failed low-fat dogma that is hurting more people than it helps.

    Bottom Line: Low-carb diets are the healthiest, easiest and most effective way to lose weight and reverse metabolic disease. It is a scientific fact.

10. Sugar is Unhealthy Because it Contains “Empty” Calories
It is commonly believed that sugar is bad for you because it contains empty calories. It’s true, sugar has a lot of calories with no essential nutrients. But that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Sugar, primarily because of its high fructose content, affects metabolism in a way that sets us up for rapid fat gain and metabolic disease. Fructose gets metabolized by the liver and turned into fat which is secreted into the blood as VLDL particles. This leads to elevated triglycerides and cholesterol (58, 59).
It also causes resistance to the hormones insulin and leptin, which is a stepping stone towards obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes (60, 61).
This is just to name a few. Sugar causes a relentless biochemical drive for humans to eat more and get fat. It is probably the single worst ingredient in the standard western diet.

    Bottom Line: The harmful effects of sugar go way beyond empty calories. Sugar wreaks havoc on our metabolism and sets us up for weight gain and many serious diseases.

11. High Fat Foods Will Make You Fat
It seems kind of intuitive that eating fat would make you get fat. The stuff that is gathering under our skin and making us look soft and puffy is fat. So… eating fat should give our bodies even more of it.
But it isn’t that simple. Despite fat having more calories per gram than carbohydrate or protein, high-fat diets do not make people fat. As with anything, this depends on the context. A diet that is high in fat AND high in carbs will make you fat, but it’s NOT because of the fat.
In fact, diets that are high in fat (and low in carbs) cause much greater fat loss than diets that are low in fat (62, 63, 64).
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(12-03-2014, 12:25 PM)Zedta Wrote: I was going to respond to the high carb diet thread, but I thought this article would put it down better. High Carb diets are fine, if you're thin already, but if you aren't, it could make you sick in the long run. Any diet that isn't a mix of good stuff and of varying types of food will cause weight loss. Its a kind of starvation, so the results are usually weight loss, but it will rain havoc on your over all health.

Here's a great article on the subject of diet:

Keyboard Warrior

http://www.healinghealth.in/2014/12/the-...-lies.html

The 11 Most Destructive Nutrition Lies Ever Told

There is a lot of misinformation circling around in mainstream nutrition.

Here are the top 11 biggest lies, myths and misconceptions of mainstream nutrition.

1. Eggs Are Unhealthy
There’s one thing that nutrition professionals have had remarkable success with… and that is demonizing incredibly healthy foods. The worst example of that is eggs, which happen to contain a large amount of cholesterol and were therefore considered to increase the risk of heart disease.
But recently it has been proven that the cholesterol in the diet doesn’t really raise the cholesterol in blood. In fact, eggs primarily raise the “good” cholesterol and are NOT associated with increased risk of heart disease (1, 2).
What we’re left with is one of the most nutritious foods on the planet. They’re high in all sorts of nutrients along with unique antioxidants that protect our eyes (3). To top it all of, despite being a “high fat” food, eating eggs for breakfast is proven to cause significant weight loss compared to bagels for breakfast (4, 5).

    Bottom Line: Eggs do not cause heart disease and are among the most nutritious foods on the planet. Eggs for breakfast can help you lose weight.

2. Saturated Fat is Bad For You
A few decades ago it was decided that the epidemic of heart disease was caused by eating too much fat, in particular saturated fat. This was based on highly flawed studies and political decisions that have now been proven to be completely wrong.
A massive review article published in 2010 looked at 21 prospective epidemiological studies with a total of 347.747 subjects. Their results: absolutely no association between saturated fat and heart disease (6).
The idea that saturated fat raised the risk of heart disease was an unproven theory that somehow became conventional wisdom (7). Eating saturated fat raises the amount of HDL (the “good”) cholesterol in the blood and changes the LDL from small, dense LDL (very bad) to Large LDL, which is benign (8, 9).
Meat, coconut oil, cheese, butter… there is absolutely no reason to fear these foods.

    Bottom Line: Newer studies have proven that saturated fat does not cause heart disease. Natural foods that are high in saturated fat are good for you.

3. Everybody Should be Eating Grains
The idea that humans should be basing their diets on grains has never made sense to me. The agricultural revolution happened fairly recently in human evolutionary history and our genes haven’t changed that much.
Grains are fairly low in nutrients compared to other real foods like vegetables. They are also rich in a substance called phytic acid which binds essential minerals in the intestine and prevents them from being absorbed (10).
The most common grain in the western diet, by far, is wheat… and wheat can cause a host of health problems, both minor and serious. Modern wheat contains a large amount of a protein called gluten, but there is evidence that a significant portion of the population may be sensitive to it (11, 12, 13).
Eating gluten can damage the intestinal lining, cause pain, bloating, stool inconsistency and tiredness (14, 15). Gluten consumption has also been associated with schizophrenia and cerebellar ataxia, both serious disorders of the brain (16, 17).

    Bottom Line: Grains are relatively low in nutrients compared to other real foods like vegetables. The gluten grains in particular may lead to a variety of health problems.

4. Eating a Lot of Protein is Bad For Your Bones and Kidneys
A high protein diet has been claimed to cause both osteoporosis and kidney disease.
It is true that eating protein increases calcium excretion from the bones in the short term, but the long term studies actually show the opposite effect.
In the long term, protein has a strong association with improved bone health and a lower risk of fracture (18, 19). Additionally, studies don't show any association of high protein with kidney disease in otherwise healthy people (20, 21).
In fact, two of the main risk factors for kidney failure are diabetes and high blood pressure. Eating a high protein diet improves both (22, 23). If anything, a high protein diet should be protective against osteoporosis and kidney failure!

    Bottom Line: Eating a high protein diet is associated with improved bone health and a lower risk of fracture. High protein also lowers blood pressure and improves diabetes symptoms, which should lower the risk of kidney failure.

5. Low-Fat Foods Are Good For You
Do you know what regular food tastes like when all the fat has been taken out of it? Well, it tastes like cardboard. No one would want to eat it.
The food manufacturers know this and therefore they add other things to compensate for the lack of fat. Usually these are sweeteners… sugar, high fructose corn syrup or artificial sweeteners like aspartame.
We’ll get to the sugar in a moment, but I’d like to point out that even though artificial sweeteners don’t have calories, the evidence does NOT suggest that they are better for you than sugar.
In fact, many observational studies show a consistent, highly significant association with various diseases like obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, premature delivery and depression (24, 25, 26).
In these low-fat products, healthy natural fats are being replaced with substances that are extremely harmful.

    Bottom Line: Low-fat foods are usually highly processed products loaded with sugar, corn syrup or artificial sweeteners. They are extremely unhealthy.

6. You Should Eat Many Small Meals Throughout The Day
The idea that you should eat many small meals throughout the day in order to “keep metabolism high” is a persistent myth that doesn’t make any sense.
It is true that eating raises your metabolism slightly while you’re digesting the meal, but it’s the total amount of food that determines the energy used, NOT the number of meals.
This has actually been put to the test and refuted multiple times. Controlled studies where one group eats many small meals and the other the same amount of food in fewer meals show that there is literally no difference between the two (27, 28). In fact, one study in obese men revealed that eating 6 meals per day led to less feelings of fullness compared to 3 meals (29).
Not only is eating so often practically useless for most of the people out there, it may even be harmful. It is not natural for the human body to be constantly in the fed state. In nature, we used to fast from time to time and we didn’t eat nearly as often as we do today.
When we don’t eat for a while, a cellular process called autophagy cleans waste products out of our cells (30). Fasting or not eating from time to time is good for you. Several observational studies show a drastically increased risk of colon cancer (4th most common cause of cancer death), numbers going as high as a 90% increase for those who eat 4 meals per day compared to 2 (31, 32, 33).

    Bottom Line: There is no evidence that eating many small meals throughout the day is better than fewer, bigger meals. Not eating from time to time is good for you. Increased meal frequency is associated with colon cancer.

7. Carbs Should Be Your Biggest Source of Calories
The mainstream view is that everyone should eat a low-fat diet, with carbs being around 50-60% of total calories. This sort of diet contains a lot of grains and sugars, with very small amounts of fatty foods like meat and eggs. This type of diet may work well for some people, especially those who are naturally lean.
But for those who are obese, have the metabolic syndrome or diabetes, this amount of carbohydrates is downright dangerous. This has actually been studied extensively. A low-fat, high-carb diet has been compared to a low-carb, high-fat diet in multiple randomized controlled trials.
The results are consistently in favor of low-carb, high-fat diets (34, 35, 36).

    Bottom Line: The low-fat, high-carb diet is a miserable failure and has been proven repeatedly to be vastly inferior to lower-carb, higher-fat diets.

8. High Omega-6 Seed and Vegetable Oils Are Good For You
Polyunsaturated fats are considered healthy because some studies show that they lower your risk of heart disease.
But there are many types of polyunsaturated fats and they are not all the same. Most importantly, we have both Omega-3 fatty acids and Omega-6 fatty acids.
Omega-3s are anti-inflammatory and lower your risk of many diseases related to inflammation (37). Humans actually need to get Omega-6s and Omega-3s in a certain ratio. If the ratio is too high in favor of Omega-6, it can cause problems (38).
By far the biggest sources of Omega-6 in the modern diet are processed seed and vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower oils. Throughout evolution, humans never had access to such an abundance of Omega-6 fats. It is unnatural for the human body.
Research that specifically looks at Omega-6 fatty acids instead of polyunsaturated fats in general shows that they actually increase the risk of heart disease (39, 40). Eat your Omega-3s and consider supplementing with cod fish liver oil, but avoid the industrial seed and vegetable oils.

    Bottom Line: Humans need to get Omega-6 and Omega-3 fats in a certain ratio. Eating excess Omega-6 from seed oils raises your risk of disease.

9. Low Carb Diets Are Dangerous
I personally believe low-carb diets to be a potential cure for many of the most common health problems in western nations.
The low-fat diet peddled all around the world is fairly useless against many of these diseases. It simply does not work.
However, low-carb diets (demonized by nutritionists and the media) have repeatedly been shown to lead to much better outcomes.
Every randomized controlled trial on low-carb diets shows that they:

    Reduce body fat more than calorie-restricted low-fat diets, even though the low-carb dieters are allowed to eat as much as they want (41, 42).
    Lower blood pressure significantly (43, 44).
    Lower blood sugar and improve symptoms of diabetes much more than low-fat diets (45, 46, 47, 48).
    Increase HDL (the good) cholesterol much more (49, 50).
    Lower triglycerides much more than low-fat diets (51, 52, 53).
    Change the pattern of LDL (bad) cholesterol from small, dense (very bad) to Large LDL, which is benign (54, 55).
    Low carb diets are also easier to stick to, probably because they don’t require you to restrict calories and be hungry all the time. More people in the low-carb groups make it to the end of the studies (56, 57).

Many of the health professionals that are supposed to have our best interest in mind have the audacity to claim that these diets are dangerous, then continue to peddle their failed low-fat dogma that is hurting more people than it helps.

    Bottom Line: Low-carb diets are the healthiest, easiest and most effective way to lose weight and reverse metabolic disease. It is a scientific fact.

10. Sugar is Unhealthy Because it Contains “Empty” Calories
It is commonly believed that sugar is bad for you because it contains empty calories. It’s true, sugar has a lot of calories with no essential nutrients. But that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Sugar, primarily because of its high fructose content, affects metabolism in a way that sets us up for rapid fat gain and metabolic disease. Fructose gets metabolized by the liver and turned into fat which is secreted into the blood as VLDL particles. This leads to elevated triglycerides and cholesterol (58, 59).
It also causes resistance to the hormones insulin and leptin, which is a stepping stone towards obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes (60, 61).
This is just to name a few. Sugar causes a relentless biochemical drive for humans to eat more and get fat. It is probably the single worst ingredient in the standard western diet.

    Bottom Line: The harmful effects of sugar go way beyond empty calories. Sugar wreaks havoc on our metabolism and sets us up for weight gain and many serious diseases.

11. High Fat Foods Will Make You Fat
It seems kind of intuitive that eating fat would make you get fat. The stuff that is gathering under our skin and making us look soft and puffy is fat. So… eating fat should give our bodies even more of it.
But it isn’t that simple. Despite fat having more calories per gram than carbohydrate or protein, high-fat diets do not make people fat. As with anything, this depends on the context. A diet that is high in fat AND high in carbs will make you fat, but it’s NOT because of the fat.
In fact, diets that are high in fat (and low in carbs) cause much greater fat loss than diets that are low in fat (62, 63, 64).

Interesting.  Thanks for posting that!

Just curious...Have you  read or are you  familiar with the works of Dr. John McDougall, Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, T. Colin Campell ("The China Study"), et. al.?  If so, what's your  take on their conclusions/programs?  Are they right (and if so, why?), wrong (and if so, why?), or something else (if so, what and why?)? 

I look forward to reading your reply as I value your contributions (even if sometimes I poke fun at some things  Grin).
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Addendum to the above:  Please see this post for a breakdown of the components of Dr. McDougall's "Starch Solution".
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Thanks for the kudos and likewise, I am sure.

As to your questions, well, perhaps this will answer them all:

I recall the old diets, Mayo Diet, Scarsdale, Adkins, South Beach, ad nauseum...heck, you could go on for hours. But I also noticed how the 'academia'  responded to a few of them and with time I delved into it a bit more. If academia didn't like it, if it were 'heresy' on their scientific view, then I wanted to know why.

First off, when they start talking about how early man ate, you are talking in the realm of speculatory conclusions. These 'X=pologists' would speculate on early man being hunter=gatherers et al, but in modern man all that doesn't seem to fit well and we really don't know many facts about how we got here anyway. I mean, I read where recent studies have indicated that Neanderthal was probably not human, but a side species altogether different from man. Another Primate. Makes fella really want to trust 'academia'.

One must get to the root. Lets start with that we humans, as a whole, are not herbivore nor carnivore. We are omnivore. We do not have a short digestive system like a dog and don't process our food like a dog, who passes in 12 hours. Nor are we like a cow, who, in order to get what small amount of nutrition it can from the cellulose it eats, digest it over and over and has poop coming out nearly all day and in massive amounts, relative to its intake.

So, what should a human omnivore eat?

I don't know. But what I found for me works.

I observed how the science 'zealots' went after Scarsdale and Adkins. Both promoted a heavily animal protein diet, Scarsdale allowed a little more carbs than Adkins, but they both pushed protein and fats and very little carbs in their diets. Adkins had you monitor your urine for ketones and stressed lots of water so as to ease the risk of kidney damage while in ketosis. BTW: One interesting side effect of the ketosis was an increased sense of 'well being' as a side effect of the state of being in ketosis. It also meant you were burning up fat. It was effective.

Then the academia came out screaming that this was heresy! It will kill you and you would die of a coronary or stroke. You lipids will go sky high!

The ravings got so bad, three studies were done to show just how bad it would be. They all found the opposite. They found the lipid profiles improved almost across the board. The zealots became quiet. Adkins was now legit and even Marie Osmond pushes it on TV as Nutrasystem.

I was 270 pounds and 5'10". I was in my 60s and had a stent in my heart, diabetic and hypertensive. I had to do something.

I recalled my year with the Navajo, working on the Reservation. The 'Rez'. These people were ravaged by diseases like heart and kidney failure and especially diabetes. Not all were, however. Those that stuck to the 'old ways' nearly always fared better.

One of the staff sociologists told me about a study done on some natives, found by modern man, for the first time in an area of the mountains of Northern Mexico. They had never seen anyone outside of their own group or of some of the surrounding tribes. The study showed them to be unusually healthy and with little in their language having to do with illness. This was in the early 1930s when first contact came. Soon, a businessman set up a general store near the reservation. They began eating 'white man food' and by the late 40s, had hypertension, liver and kidney diseases and diabetes. BTW: You can only buy non-sugared drinks in any vending machine in the hospital at Shiprock, on the Navajo Reservation. That is true at every one of the medical facilities there.

So, I cut out all refined sugars and flours. I eat only Ezekiel bread, butter, meats, tea straight, coffee with half and half and stevia, a very few red potatoes, most all green veggies, corn, root veggies and dairy. I limit my sweets to fruits and rare dark chocolate. I am now 185 lbs, no longer on insulin and modifying the diet to include a few more clean carbs (of non-refined sources). I ate a diet that was a good balance. All my electrolytes and lipids and the rest are fine. I may be backing down some more on my Lipior (statins) and then the antihypertensives soon too. 

I just sort of got back to basics and looked for the most direct way to achieve that end. It worked out for me and the literature seems to be bearing me out as I see stuff like what I posted.
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(12-03-2014, 07:30 PM)Zedta Wrote: Thanks for the kudos and likewise, I am sure.

As to your questions, well, perhaps this will answer them all:

I recall the old diets, Mayo Diet, Scarsdale, Adkins, South Beach, ad nauseum...heck, you could go on for hours. But I also noticed how the 'academia'  responded to a few of them and with time I delved into it a bit more. If academia didn't like it, if it were 'heresy' on their scientific view, then I wanted to know why.

First off, when they start talking about how early man ate, you are talking in the realm of speculatory conclusions. These 'X=pologists' would speculate on early man being hunter=gatherers et al, but in modern man all that doesn't seem to fit well and we really don't know many facts about how we got here anyway. I mean, I read where recent studies have indicated that Neanderthal was probably not human, but a side species altogether different from man. Another Primate. Makes fella really want to trust 'academia'.

One must get to the root. Lets start with that we humans, as a whole, are not herbivore nor carnivore. We are omnivore. We do not have a short digestive system like a dog and don't process our food like a dog, who passes in 12 hours. Nor are we like a cow, who, in order to get what small amount of nutrition it can from the cellulose it eats, digest it over and over and has poop coming out nearly all day and in massive amounts, relative to its intake.

So, what should a human omnivore eat?

I don't know. But what I found for me works.

I observed how the science 'zealots' went after Scarsdale and Adkins. Both promoted a heavily animal protein diet, Scarsdale allowed a little more carbs than Adkins, but they both pushed protein and fats and very little carbs in their diets. Adkins had you monitor your urine for ketones and stressed lots of water so as to ease the risk of kidney damage while in ketosis. BTW: One interesting side effect of the ketosis was an increased sense of 'well being' as a side effect of the state of being in ketosis. It also meant you were burning up fat. It was effective.

Then the academia came out screaming that this was heresy! It will kill you and you would die of a coronary or stroke. You lipids will go sky high!

The ravings got so bad, three studies were done to show just how bad it would be. They all found the opposite. They found the lipid profiles improved almost across the board. The zealots became quiet. Adkins was now legit and even Marie Osmond pushes it on TV as Nutrasystem.

I was 270 pounds and 5'10". I was in my 60s and had a stent in my heart, diabetic and hypertensive. I had to do something.

I recalled my year with the Navajo, working on the Reservation. The 'Rez'. These people were ravaged by diseases like heart and kidney failure and especially diabetes. Not all were, however. Those that stuck to the 'old ways' nearly always fared better.

One of the staff sociologists told me about a study done on some natives, found by modern man, for the first time in an area of the mountains of Northern Mexico. They had never seen anyone outside of their own group or of some of the surrounding tribes. The study showed them to be unusually healthy and with little in their language having to do with illness. This was in the early 1930s when first contact came. Soon, a businessman set up a general store near the reservation. They began eating 'white man food' and by the late 40s, had hypertension, liver and kidney diseases and diabetes. BTW: You can only buy non-sugared drinks in any vending machine in the hospital at Shiprock, on the Navajo Reservation. That is true at every one of the medical facilities there.

So, I cut out all refined sugars and flours. I eat only Ezekiel bread, butter, meats, tea straight, coffee with half and half and stevia, a very few red potatoes, most all green veggies, corn, root veggies and dairy. I limit my sweets to fruits and rare dark chocolate. I am now 185 lbs, no longer on insulin and modifying the diet to include a few more clean carbs (of non-refined sources). I ate a diet that was a good balance. All my electrolytes and lipids and the rest are fine. I may be backing down some more on my Lipior (statins) and then the antihypertensives soon too. 

I just sort of got back to basics and looked for the most direct way to achieve that end. It worked out for me and the literature seems to be bearing me out as I see stuff like what I posted.

Thanks for sharing that!

I know man is considered to be omnivorous.  And that's why we may just tweak our plan with the addition of a little animal protein now and then, in the form of meat, not dairy.  McDougall, et al, however, do make a pretty good case for not eating meat, or at least cutting the amounts waaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down.  Many, many, many people do just fine on vegan or vegetarian diets.  Seems our Western diet, even a Westernized vegetarian diet (you know, lots of veggie junk food, sodas, etc) is the main culprit in so many diseases we see, especially degenerative diseases.

Anyway.....be all that as it may, you kind of skirted around my questions, which asked specifically about McDougall, Esselstyn, Campbell, & Co. (make a great firm of lawyers, no  Grin?).

If you're not familiar with their works and theses, may I throw down the challenge gauntlet to you to investigate and read them?

Thanks again for taking the time to write that long post!
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Zedta,  congrats on your weight loss and improved health on a reduced carb diet! 

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(12-03-2014, 08:24 PM)J Michael Wrote: Thanks for sharing that!

I know man is considered to be omnivorous.  And that's why we may just tweak our plan with the addition of a little animal protein now and then, in the form of meat, not dairy.  McDougall, et al, however, do make a pretty good case for not eating meat, or at least cutting the amounts waaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down.  Many, many, many people do just fine on vegan or vegetarian diets.  Seems our Western diet, even a Westernized vegetarian diet (you know, lots of veggie junk food, sodas, etc) is the main culprit in so many diseases we see, especially degenerative diseases.

Anyway.....be all that as it may, you kind of skirted around my questions, which asked specifically about McDougall, Esselstyn, Campbell, & Co. (make a great firm of lawyers, no  Grin?).

If you're not familiar with their works and theses, may I throw down the challenge gauntlet to you to investigate and read them?

Thanks again for taking the time to write that long post!

I'll get back to you after I read their article(s).
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(12-04-2014, 12:04 AM)christulsa123 Wrote: Zedta,  congrats on your weight loss and improved health on a reduced carb diet!

Tip o' the hat

One part I left out is the total avoidance of trans fats. They coat the cells and insulate the cell from insulin, making the pancreas produce more insulin. With time, the pancreas can fade out and the diabetes gets even worse.

High temperature frying with vegetable oil is the most common culprit. I only use olive, coconut, and bacon. In the case of bacon, it takes lower temps to cook/fry with, which reduces the production of trans fats. I only fry on ironware or steel pans, an adult male can get all their iron requirements from eating a meal cooked in an iron skillet.
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(12-04-2014, 07:36 PM)Zedta Wrote:
(12-03-2014, 08:24 PM)J Michael Wrote: Thanks for sharing that!

I know man is considered to be omnivorous.  And that's why we may just tweak our plan with the addition of a little animal protein now and then, in the form of meat, not dairy.  McDougall, et al, however, do make a pretty good case for not eating meat, or at least cutting the amounts waaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down.  Many, many, many people do just fine on vegan or vegetarian diets.  Seems our Western diet, even a Westernized vegetarian diet (you know, lots of veggie junk food, sodas, etc) is the main culprit in so many diseases we see, especially degenerative diseases.

Anyway.....be all that as it may, you kind of skirted around my questions, which asked specifically about McDougall, Esselstyn, Campbell, & Co. (make a great firm of lawyers, no  Grin?).

If you're not familiar with their works and theses, may I throw down the challenge gauntlet to you to investigate and read them?

Thanks again for taking the time to write that long post!

I'll get back to you after I read their article(s).

Great!  I look forward to it.
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(12-03-2014, 04:38 PM)J Michael Wrote: Just curious...Have you  read or are you  familiar with the works of Dr. John McDougall, Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, T. Colin Campell ("The China Study"), et. al.?  If so, what's your  take on their conclusions/programs?  Are they right (and if so, why?), wrong (and if so, why?), or something else (if so, what and why?)? 

Am I allowed to comment?

I agree that us, as Westerns, eat too much animal protein. We only require a fraction of what we intake in order to stay healthy.

But a strict vegetarian diet is also not healthy because it lacks certain nutrients without resorting to highly processed supplements or synthetic/fortified foods. In history, strict vegetarians diets did well because they weren't strict vegetarians - food was almost always contaminated with bugs etc that provided the animal nutrition we needed, especially in grains. Part of the problem with the modern vegan diet is it's sterility and cleanliness.

A major critisim of the studies you have cited are that the data collection and sampling themselves are flawed. I don't remember off the top of my head the exact details, but I could find them if you wished. I am also very familiar with Esselstyn and Campbell, and while there are elements of truth to what they propose, like anything else that is extreme they make dubious claims.

I am also suspicious of their reliance on soy as a protein source. There issues with uncultured soy is numerous, and is further complicated these days with the appearance of GMO soy  with unknown and unsubstantiated health effects.

The best diet is likely one that eats a wide variety of foods, not only types of food but eating a wide variety of sub-types resulting from genetic diversity. Only a few hundred years ago, we had over 10,000 different plant and animal varieties in our diet - now we have less than 100 in the SAD.
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