Best resources for medieval Catholicism?
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(02-26-2015, 05:08 AM)Neopelagianus Wrote: I pretty much agree. I believe that we should at least restore some parts of the medieval liturgy in areas where they are practiced. I say, let us also restore the parochial singing of Matins, Lauds, Vespers and Compline too.

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I couldn't agree more. As to the singing of the Divine Office, yes, that would be a great boon. The usage of Vespers on Saturday night is what should have been put there, not a Saturday evening Mass. And the expectation of people to go to Vespers on Saturday evening should be encouraged (even though that would be difficult to convince people to do, for even strict "traditional" Catholics). And churches, in particular cathedrals, should have choir seating in the old arrangement where they are not hidden from view in a loft, but rather seated between the altar and nave (this goes along with my firm belief that medieval structure of church buildings is preferable to post-Trent structure, especially since it's more in line with the Eastern Church practices too). Like we can still see in many medieval English churches. I personally believe that St. Giles Catholic Church in Cheadle is a perfect example of what a Latin Catholic church should look like, although I will admit that they don't have to be THIS extravagant:

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What a church! The architect used medieval inspiration, which explains the rood screen. The commissioner of the church wanted pews that extended all the way across, the architect (Augustus Pugin) hated the idea because medieval churches didn't really have pews to begin with and any seats that did exist were portable (the wide open naves had numerous liturgical uses throughout the year). Unfortunately, I cannot tell whether the free-standing altar is original or not.

That actually reminds me, I forget where I read it, but the "rood screen" that existed in most medieval churches and cathedrals got torn down and replaced with altar rails after Trent because Trent advocated for a "more active participation," even though nothing was said about the rood screens. This is why we see them mostly still existing in Church of England churches. I found it HIGHLY ironic that the SAME EXACT thing happened after Vatican II. Altar rails got removed in the name of "more active participation" even though nothing was said at all about the altar rails.


(02-26-2015, 07:14 AM)rasbat Wrote: They say some trads have been accused of "fiftiesism", or too much affinity for the culture etc of the nineteen fifties. I sometimes I think I have this for the middle ages. It is somewhat of an area of obsession. It seems to me to be almost a golden age of the faith. Unfortunately in modernist circles it is completely blotted out and intentionally overlooked. That mean nasty legalistic medieval church with its "yardstick spirituality" is all they can see. The middle ages saw the flourishing of popular devotion, the origins and rise of almost all of the religious orders out there still today, a huge accumulation of spiritual literature that is unparalelled in its insight and much better than the stuff out there today. They had a deeply penitential spirituality that scares modern people for some reason. Just look at the number of great saints produced by this era. It is my conjecture that some civilizations are just more receptive to God's truth and are intrinsically better than others because they are founded on objective truth. The middle ages at least in its ideals certainly had this. Don't get me wrong there were still hideous things going on in the middle ages. I just mean that the sinners at least knew they were sinners and did it anyway, and that the ideals which were frequently actually realized were truly amazing. Anyway I could rant about the middle ages all day. it is unbelievably underapreciated.
          For writings since you mentioned the cloud of unknowing and english mystics try Richard rolle of hampole-the Incendio Amoris, walter Hilton and others are good but the continental mystics are under read. try Henry suso or tauler etc.

I feel the same way about the Middle Ages. I think it really was a golden age of the faith (why else would the Liturgical Movement be originally striving to return to the liturgies of the Middle Ages?). And of course there were problems, but when weren't there problems? The "fiftiesism" tends to overlook the problems of that time in the Church.

And okay, cool, for the suggestions. Please, honestly, just list like any good writings you can think of, primary or secondary. I myself tend to have a fascination with medieval liturgies, so writings about Cluny and the absolutely beautiful liturgies would be a plus. Also, as I'm sure you can tell, I can rant on all day about the Middle Ages as well. Highly under-appreciated, even by many traditional-minded Catholics. And it's all pretty much "kosher" for Catholics today too, which makes the ignorance and under-appreciation even more disappointing.
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Re: Best resources for medieval Catholicism? - by Farmer88 - 02-26-2015, 12:34 PM



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