NYC St. Patricks Parade
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(03-20-2015, 04:08 PM)Azygos Wrote: I think that he is right in refusing to publicly criticize the Pope, in most circumstances. Do tell how you are to teach people that we are to submit to the Pope (the Vicar of Christ) and that he has universal jurisdiction over the Church, while you are constantly criticizing him publicly? You men are trying to teach others that God commands everyone to be in union with the Pope and at the same time you teach that the current Pope is the worst thing to ever happen to the Church, that no one should listen to him. Anyone outside the Church is going to call you a lunatic and they are not going to believe you, nor are they going to submit to the Pope. It also happens especially among traditional sects, those who criticize the Pope use the most nasty satire, insults and uncharitable assertions that I have ever read about anyone; it is shameful that these people claim to be Catholic yet act in such manners.

Wait now. You go from "criticizing the Pope" to "criticizing him constantly" and "the worst thing to ever happen to the Church" and "no one should listen to him." Criticizing the Pope with respect and charity, while giving him the benefit of the doubt, etc., doesn't mean "constantly criticizing someone you consider the worst thing ever to happen to the Church and advising people to ignore what he says." St. Catherine of SIena went about it in the right way -- and vehemently. And folks outside of the Church can learn to think critically about the Pope, same as someone inside the Church. I don't think most people have any problem imagining an authority figure who needs to be obeyed in certain circumstances being criticized by his wards. If you're a soldier, for ex., you have to obey lawful orders, but you don't have to like your superiors, never criticize them, or obey them when you're all hanging out in a bar. It's a simple concept to understand.

That said, I agree with you that the way some (non-sede) Catholics talk about the Pope is absolutely disgusting.

Quote: Sedevacantist should be condemned for their errors. Vatican 1 stated that there will always be perpetual successors to the Chair of Peter; the Chair cannot be empty (except until the next election after a Pope dies, etc), it is an error to believe that Pope Francis or past Popes within 50-60 year time period were not Popes at all.

While I am definitely not a sede, I have to correct you here. Vatican I said that the office of the papacy is permanent, not that there will always, at all times, be a Pope. There've been a number of times throughout the History of the Church where there hasn't been a Pope for a chunk of time.

But all of that sort of thing needs to be discussed in the proper sub-forum, not in this one.
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NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-17-2015, 06:47 PM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 10:56 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 03:20 PM
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