NYC St. Patricks Parade
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(03-21-2015, 10:41 AM)spikepaga Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 04:08 PM)Azygos Wrote:
(03-20-2015, 03:50 PM)GangGreen Wrote: The issues with CMTV in these parts came from his attacks on other traditional outlets like the Remnant. Add in the fact that he refuses to say anything negative about the Pope and you have people who are weary of him. I personally think that CMTV does a great job and is one of the few traditional outlets that can and is willing to actually go out on the streets and cause a ruckus in the modern church.

I think that he is right in refusing to publicly criticize the Pope, in most circumstances. Do tell how you are to teach people that we are to submit to the Pope (the Vicar of Christ) and that he has universal jurisdiction over the Church, while you are constantly criticizing him publicly? You men are trying to teach others that God commands everyone to be in union with the Pope and at the same time you teach that the current Pope is the worst thing to ever happen to the Church, that no one should listen to him. Anyone outside the Church is going to call you a lunatic and they are not going to believe you, nor are they going to submit to the Pope. It also happens especially among traditional sects, those who criticize the Pope use the most nasty satire, insults and uncharitable assertions that I have ever read about anyone; it is shameful that these people claim to be Catholic yet act in such manners.

Sedevacantist should be condemned for their errors. Vatican 1 stated that there will always be perpetual successors to the Chair of Peter; the Chair cannot be empty (except until the next election after a Pope dies, etc), it is an error to believe that Pope Francis or past Popes within 50-60 year time period were not Popes at all.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the Remnant promote the heresy of Sedevacantism?

The reason the Pope has to be "constantly critizised" is because he constantly says things that are damaging  to the Faith. This is not people trying to knit-pick any little thing in order to disparage the Pope. We are currently in a free- all and if you are unable to see how this is the case you are completely blind.

I am not going to provide a litany of links here of things the Pope says and does ON A DAILY BASIS which warrant resistance and criticism, because it would be too long. Speech after speech, sermon after sermon The list is endless..

The real scandal here ,is in fact those who refuse to criticize the Pope due to some misguided sense of obedience. When the Pope is personally hell bend on changing or bypassing Doctrinal matters established by Christ himself and calling it "mercy" .

In fact it would be easier to keep our mouth shut about Alexander VI Borgia's depravities than about Francis since Alexander managed to pass down the Faith in one piece and Francis insists on destroying everything his hands touch.

The problem I have with this approach is that many Catholics and/or non-Catholics don't even know what is going on in the Vatican or what Pope Francis is saying day in and day out (hell, I don't even know most of the time), at-least not the everyday people that I speak to. Now if they see Catholics revealing all of Pope Francis faults and criticizing him at every turn, just like it is a free for all, then I think it creates a bad image of the Papacy in the minds of believers and unbelievers, including the Church in general (is the Church really a free for all?). I think Catholics need to start weighing their priorities and asking themselves just what they are trying to accomplish when they speak or criticize the Pope. Your not going to convince people that the Pope is infallible in official decrees (ex-cathedra) and that he is the Vicar of Christ with universal jurisdiction over the entire Christian Church when you are constantly upbraiding him in front of everyone. Now if you (Catholics) do not respect the Holy Father and at-least treat him like a real Father then no one else will and consequently they will not obey the Church unto salvation. Perhaps it is better to be silent and to discuss things more on an individual basis when people have concerns about what Pope Francis says or does.

I will give a personal example of a time that I should have been silent but opened my big mouth. Once I criticized JP2 for kissing the Qur'an in front of a Catholic who has been Catholic for about 50 years and they did not even know it; I think revealing this fault of JP2's scandalized this person and they would have been better for not knowing it. So I had to take a step back and ask, to what end do I do this?

Now if scandals must arise then so be but at the same time so many scandals arise because people will not stop acting like it is a free for all. I don't think every comment from Francis needs to be criticized. These things will pass away and no one will remember them anyhow, however when Catholics make a big deal about every little thing that he says or does then they are keeping those things alive for everyone to remember. In fact, I heard about JP2 kissing the Qur'an from Sedevacantist first, to me it makes perfect sense why they promote things like this because they are always looking for every single fault or sin that the any Pope has done because they are trying to attack the papacy. They want people to leave the Church for their blend of heresy, protestants do the exact same thing. So criticizing the Pope at every turn? To what end?
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NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-17-2015, 06:47 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-17-2015, 11:08 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Credidi Propter - 03-17-2015, 11:56 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 12:39 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 06:28 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 08:59 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-18-2015, 10:24 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 11:02 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-18-2015, 01:57 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 02:12 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 02:40 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 10:56 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 03:20 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 03:50 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 04:08 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by CaptCrunch73 - 03-20-2015, 05:34 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-20-2015, 05:48 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 06:01 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 08:50 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 09:15 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by ArturoOrtiz - 03-21-2015, 01:20 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-21-2015, 06:21 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-21-2015, 10:41 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-21-2015, 11:39 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by missadeangelis - 03-21-2015, 12:58 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-21-2015, 01:25 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by AllSeasons - 03-21-2015, 10:05 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-22-2015, 02:03 AM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-22-2015, 11:46 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-22-2015, 02:00 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-22-2015, 02:10 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-22-2015, 04:28 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-22-2015, 07:27 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by AllSeasons - 03-22-2015, 09:34 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-22-2015, 10:07 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by AllSeasons - 03-23-2015, 08:24 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Dirigible - 03-23-2015, 08:28 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-23-2015, 11:46 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-23-2015, 02:00 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by missadeangelis - 03-23-2015, 02:33 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-23-2015, 03:17 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-24-2015, 12:20 PM



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