NYC St. Patricks Parade
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(03-21-2015, 01:25 PM)spikepaga Wrote: Azgos, this makes absolutely no sense.

So you think keeping people blissfully unaware of the magnitude of the crisis is a solution? To take your own example, the scandal is not finding out about an even that took place (JP kissing a Koran), the scandal is in the actual event itself.  Maybe if more people would have been aware of the actions and actual intentions of JP 2 we would have more with their eyes opened. But no, instead people tried to pretend that the kissing of the Koran, the defiling of the altars of Assisi and the multiple ecumenical aberrations did not exist, even though there are actual photographs (!!!!!!) to document the events.

Look at how far ignorance has gotten us. So many good Catholics just following the non-sense coming out of Rome just because they don't know any better.  How can people oppose something they don't even know about?  they just fall in love more and more with the "merciful" Francis to the point they will gobble up all the cyanide laced food he gives them.

Voris approach and your approach is in great part why things are the way they are.  Reporting only the nice Catholic things the Pope does and then trying to put a positive spin on every scandal he does.  Then, the dumbed down masses accept anything without question. ........... vernacular modern Mass, altar girls, Christ in the paw and communion for everyone, you say?......well it must be great because the merciful charismatic Pope xxx says so!!!!

Wake up. It ain't 1905 anymore. The destruction is coming right from the top.

I'm not saying that we should hide the crisis or put a positive spin on everything bad that happens in the Church, please don't put words in my mouth.

However, I personally believe that it is better to concentrate on Catechizing the faithful than it is to criticize the Popes on things that most people don't even know about and will never know about. Why risk scandalizing them and why give them cause to doubt the faith? I believe that teaching the faithful why it is wrong to honor false religions (kiss the Qur'an) or to have scandalous interfaith meetings (Assisi) is a better solution than revealing the faults of the Popes and then bashing them in front of everyone for these faults. For instance, I would rather have my children read the encyclical mortalium animos than a single critique of JP2 on Assisi. I would rather spend my time forming and molding the conscience of my kids to the truth than filling it with hatred for certain Popes or by filling it with the common critiques of the Popes by traditional Catholics.

And I know that everyone keeps saying that the destruction is coming from the top but when do the people at the bottom start taking responsibility for themselves and their own lives? I think the crisis in the Church is not happening merely because we got bad leaders but because we got unfaithful laity (who love contraception and the world, etc) and have had unfaithful laity for a long time.. I certainly wish that our leaders would step up and be better leaders but at the same time, look around at the laity. If the majority of the laity were as serious as you and me then the Church would look entirely different right now.

If an uneducated man like myself who was addicted to porno, video games, lust and all manners of vice can came out of the darkness by prayer (the Grace of God) than so can the lazy laity, if they choose to do so. Hell, I went 10 years without reading a single book until I came back to the faith and when I did come back (even in the midst of the crisis), I hardly knew how to write a paragraph. I am testimony that God's Grace is sufficient in this crisis for all the laity and no matter what is happening in the Church people can become Holy; this even includes the NO Mass which all the traditionalist hate, it is still the Body of Christ and a Catholic can still attend to the breaking of the bread and the prayers unto Holiness.

I believe that the crisis in the Church will not turn around until the laity as a whole get serious about their faith and that means that they start living the faith, obeying all the teachings of the Church. My speculation is that one of the reasons for the crisis in the Church is that God is spitting the lukewarm out of his mouth.

I think every Catholic here should listen to this sermon by an FSSP priest on the crisis in the Church. He provides a better perspective than I can on the issue.

http://www.romans10seventeen.org/audio-f...eption.mp3

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NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-17-2015, 06:47 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-17-2015, 11:08 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Credidi Propter - 03-17-2015, 11:56 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 12:39 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 06:28 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 08:59 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-18-2015, 10:24 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 11:02 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-18-2015, 01:57 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 02:12 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 02:40 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 10:56 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 03:20 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 03:50 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 04:08 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by CaptCrunch73 - 03-20-2015, 05:34 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-20-2015, 05:48 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 06:01 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-20-2015, 08:50 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-20-2015, 09:15 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by ArturoOrtiz - 03-21-2015, 01:20 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-21-2015, 06:21 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-21-2015, 10:41 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-21-2015, 11:39 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by missadeangelis - 03-21-2015, 12:58 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-21-2015, 01:25 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by AllSeasons - 03-21-2015, 10:05 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-22-2015, 02:03 AM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-22-2015, 11:46 AM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Azygos - 03-22-2015, 02:10 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-22-2015, 04:28 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-22-2015, 07:27 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by AllSeasons - 03-22-2015, 09:34 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-22-2015, 10:07 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by AllSeasons - 03-23-2015, 08:24 AM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-23-2015, 03:17 PM
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