NYC St. Patricks Parade
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(03-22-2015, 07:27 PM)spikepaga Wrote: People like Voris and yourself are really tremendously unfair.

When I or any Catholic state facts like:

-John Paul 2 kissed the Koran
-John Paul 2 s ecumenical meeting in Assisi desecrated altars
-John Paul engaged in scandalous actions

We are neither bashing, not an obstacle to "others Holiness" , mocking or damaging reputation since these are FACTUAL EVENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE!! 

You keep on using words like "bashing", "mockery of reputation" , "detraction" , "obstacle to others Holiness" and so on., please tell me how any of those apply to these factual circumstances???????

Do I need to link the endless litany Popes Francis sermons, comments and interviews as well?

I guess it's much more convenient to bury your head in the sand and lash out at the messenger because you can't face or make sense of the reality of the gravity of the situation.
The only "obstacle" to others holiness are people who try to keep the counterrevolution suppressed by keeping the truth about Francis hidden. If you know what Francis is at least you have the knowledge to guard yourself and your family against his errors and his reign of terror .

And if my "biological father" was beating my mother and raping my brothers and sisters every night you bet I would resist him at all cost. I would not sit quietly and be complicit to his abuse. And make no mistake, what Francis is doing to all his children is spiritual rape, plain and simple .

I stick by what I said. Instead of revealing the sins of the Pope that many simply do not need to know and would not have known otherwise; I would rather teach my kids why it is wrong to have interfaith meetings, why it is wrong to honor false religions and why it is wrong to commit otherwise scandalous actions. In this way I protect them without scandalizing them and without committing detraction against a Pontiff and if they come across these things done by a Pontiff then they will be prepared for them.

The Sede's operate in the same way you are doing there (defaming Pope Francis by saying that he is spiritual raping children, like a Father who beats his children and rapes his children? Really?) and their goal is to scandalize those weak in faith to get them to join their Sede operations. It works, after having such a bad image painted (in their minds) over the Papacy (like spiritual rape, devilry, etc) why should they ever accept it? Hence comes the false idea; if the Church is subject to the Pontiff and the Pontiff is that bad (akin to a rapist) then it cannot possibly be the true Church.

Your not going to convince people (teach them effectively) that the Pope is infallible in official decrees (ex-cathedra) and that he is the Vicar of Christ with universal jurisdiction over the entire Christian Church when you are constantly upbraiding him in front of everyone, telling people that he is guilty of spiritual rape, etc.

I think Catholics need to start weighing their priorities and asking themselves just what they are trying to accomplish when they speak or criticize the Pope in public. A few things that first come to mind. Who is your audience? Will they be scandalized? Are they weak in faith? How are you speaking? Are you giving the Pope the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things on the news? What is your purpose? And does it actually work or are you just throwing more fuel on the fire?

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NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-17-2015, 06:47 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-17-2015, 11:08 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Credidi Propter - 03-17-2015, 11:56 PM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by austenbosten - 03-18-2015, 12:39 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 06:28 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 08:59 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-18-2015, 10:24 AM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by GangGreen - 03-18-2015, 01:57 PM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by Phyllo - 03-18-2015, 02:40 PM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by ArturoOrtiz - 03-21-2015, 01:20 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by VoxClamantis - 03-21-2015, 06:21 AM
Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-21-2015, 10:41 AM
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Re: NYC St. Patricks Parade - by spikepaga - 03-22-2015, 07:27 PM
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