Good and Evil; Commoner's Views.
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(04-09-2015, 05:00 PM)Oldavid Wrote: There is untold plenty of evidence for the existence of God, the Incarnation, Resurrection the Truth and purity of Christianity, etc. etc. for those that have eyes to see and ears to hear.

However, Melkite, anyone who wilfully does not want any of that stuff will never be convinced even if Lazarus was raised from the dead before their very eyes. If you abhor wisdom, virtue, Heaven, transcendent God and all that, I have it on good authority that there is an alternative.

I like to paraphrase a bit of Genesis to illustrate the point: The Serpent said to Eve "You know why He told you not to eat that fruit? He knows that if you eat it you will be as gods and you can decide for yourselves what is good and evil".

Anyhow, have a flick through this lot and see if you can come up with a self-deifying explanation.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/libr...orrupt.htm

I can't help but wonder if there's really any more to say, at this point, to our friend Melkite.  It seems to me more and more as these discussions continue that he fits what you write in your 2nd paragraph as someone who "willfully does not want any of that stuff [of the 1st paragraph] ..." and just plain does not want to have eyes that see and ears that hear.



Melkite, someone, either in this thread or another, suggested that you spend less time debating with us here on the internet (fun though it might be) and more time in prayer, deep prayer, and in what they referred to as "the tomes", I think.  In order to believe and to have faith you have to *want* to believe and have faith.  Failing that, as Fr. Tom Hopko once suggested somewhere, you have to at the very least want to want to believe and have faith.  You won't be "convinced" intellectually, because, even if you wanted to faith is about much, much more than just intellect though intellect is of course important, too.  Boiling everything down to contentment or  a modern version of happiness, thinking in terms of "if it feels good, do it, and if no one else is hurt it can't be bad, in fact it must be good because it makes me happy" just won't get you there, unless the "there" is nowhere and non-existence.  If that's want you want, go for it--but I think you'll end up regretting it.

I really don't know what else to say to you, Melkite, and I'm tiring of going 'round and 'round.  So, I too will suggest to you to take some time, as much as you need, pray, pray, pray, pray, and pray some more.  Even spend some time with Christ if there's a chapel of perpetual adoration near you.  Ask for faith--if you want it, that is.  Ask for increased belief--if you want it, that is.  Ask for God to help you with all of this and to guide you-------if you want it, that is.  Then...**be quiet** and watch and listen for His answers--even if it takes months or even years.
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Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-04-2015, 03:47 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-04-2015, 11:01 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-04-2015, 09:54 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-05-2015, 08:57 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-05-2015, 10:07 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-06-2015, 08:48 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-06-2015, 09:09 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-06-2015, 12:13 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-06-2015, 05:09 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-06-2015, 06:42 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-07-2015, 10:57 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-07-2015, 02:31 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-07-2015, 04:11 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-07-2015, 05:06 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-07-2015, 05:56 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-07-2015, 06:57 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-07-2015, 07:57 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-07-2015, 11:41 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-08-2015, 07:39 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-08-2015, 05:22 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-08-2015, 10:23 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-08-2015, 10:31 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-09-2015, 09:14 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-09-2015, 11:37 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-09-2015, 12:27 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-09-2015, 01:45 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-09-2015, 05:00 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by J Michael - 04-09-2015, 07:03 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-18-2015, 08:37 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-19-2015, 05:18 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-19-2015, 07:17 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-21-2015, 01:55 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-21-2015, 05:23 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 04-21-2015, 06:26 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 04-27-2015, 12:53 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-10-2015, 11:39 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-12-2015, 08:57 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-12-2015, 10:16 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-14-2015, 06:55 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-15-2015, 12:28 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-15-2015, 01:52 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-15-2015, 11:59 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-17-2015, 03:32 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-17-2015, 09:17 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-17-2015, 09:23 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-17-2015, 05:06 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-20-2015, 03:30 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-20-2015, 11:32 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-20-2015, 04:57 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-20-2015, 07:17 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-20-2015, 09:41 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-21-2015, 12:36 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-21-2015, 12:41 AM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-21-2015, 05:27 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Oldavid - 05-21-2015, 06:04 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-21-2015, 07:10 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-21-2015, 07:12 PM
Re: Good and Evil; Commoner's Views. - by Melkite - 05-22-2015, 05:02 PM



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