"That we, who are justly punished for our offences..."
(04-06-2015, 08:53 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: We're fallen due to Adam's sin. We're punished for our particular sins at some time insofar as we will pay the temporal consequences of them (but not, necesarilly, the eternal ones), but not necessarily in life; it might be done in Purgatory, or if grace is refused, then in Hell.

It is wrong to think that because So-and-So is ill, then he's a sinner, or that because that guy is rich, then he's a saintly person. It is wrong to embrace the ridiculous "prosperity gospel.". None of that is true in any way whatsoever.

Right on. In fact many times the people who are ill are the saints and the ones who are rich are the sinners. The sun shines on the good and the bad and the rain pours on the good and the bad. Many people enjoy many great things in this life, but suffer in the next. Many people suffer in this life, but enjoy an eternity of happiness. Most of the great saints suffered greatly in their lives both physically and spiritually. Many died at very young ages as well.

If we don't suffer in this life, we will suffer in the next. We must pay for our sins in some way. Now, someone doesn't necessarily suffer because of their own sins. We can suffer in reparation of our own sins. However, we can also suffer for the sake of the sins of others. Either way, it's a matter of what one makes of their suffering. Someone who curses God while they suffer will receive no benefit from this suffering. Someone who humbles themselves to God in their suffering and offers it in reparation will receive the benefit of it.

In a way, I think of the parable of the unforgiving servant fits with the idea.

Mt 18:34 And his lord being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid all the debt.

While one can say that this is about delivering to the servant to hell, we can say it's about purgatory. If one goes to hell, they cannot pay their debt. Their debt is everlasting. Purgatory is where we go to pay our debts to God. In the same way, we can suffer in this life to pay those debts. I believe it was in St. Faustina's diary where she said that in a vision, the Lord told her that she would go to purgatory for one day (and to think that any of us would jump at such an offer  :LOL:). She was so terrified and the Lord told her, that she could suffer now in this life in order to make reparation for those sins... and so she did.

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