Has Russia Been Consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
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By the way, anyone who thinks that some period of 'peace' has now come to an end is kidding themselves. There was never peace. There was no disarmament, no peace treaty. There was just a diplomatic shaking of hands and a decision to end a failed political experiment on the part of the Russians. In fact, as the article I posted mentions, NATO expanded and continues to expand further into former Soviet countries, indirectly provoking Russia's national and military concern. In the meantime, both countries (US and Russia) still have enough nuclear weapons to blow the earth up 10 times over. This 'peace' can be comparable to the period after WWI, where people mistook the end of the war for peace. Marechal Foch immediately recognized this error, who declared after reading the Treaty of Versailles: 'This is not peace, it's a 20 year armistice.' He was off by a matter of days, when WWII was declared.

I'm talking about all this strictly from historical and political viewpoints, and putting two and two together. As we have seen the art of war has severely changed since WWII, it is naive to believe that the current 'wars' now being fought, cannot be expanded into a greater conflict involving Russia. It's not a wild-eyed conspiracy theory therefore, to foresee WWIII emerge from the current conditions. Add the Fatima revelations and you get a very convincing confirmation and an uncanny insight into it all. This is why it really doesn't seem like any consecrations have carried any weight, as far as Fatima and Russia is concerned.
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#52
I would say it's a peace only communists would love!
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#53
(06-07-2015, 11:16 AM)xandratax Wrote: By the way, anyone who thinks that some period of 'peace' has now come to an end is kidding themselves. There was never peace. There was no disarmament, no peace treaty. There was just a diplomatic shaking of hands and a decision to end a failed political experiment on the part of the Russians. In fact, as the article I posted mentions, NATO expanded and continues to expand further into former Soviet countries, indirectly provoking Russia's national and military concern. In the meantime, both countries (US and Russia) still have enough nuclear weapons to blow the earth up 10 times over. This 'peace' can be comparable to the period after WWI, where people mistook the end of the war for peace. Marechal Foch immediately recognized this error, who declared after reading the Treaty of Versailles: 'This is not peace, it's a 20 year armistice.' He was off by a matter of days, when WWII was declared.

I'm talking about all this strictly from historical and political viewpoints, and putting two and two together. As we have seen the art of war has severely changed since WWII, it is naive to believe that the current 'wars' now being fought, cannot be expanded into a greater conflict involving Russia. It's not a wild-eyed conspiracy theory therefore, to foresee WWIII emerge from the current conditions. Add the Fatima revelations and you get a very convincing confirmation and an uncanny insight into it all. This is why it really doesn't seem like any consecrations have carried any weight, as far as Fatima and Russia is concerned.

...And the orthodox people of Russia didn't convert to the true catholic Faith.
Therefore: No period of peace + No conversion = The 1984 consecration wasn't properly done.
We know that before Sr Lucy said that the "consecration is accepted by Heavens", she said the contrary for at least 4 years. There are a lot of  testimonies, declarations, press reports, etc... confirming this.
The late  Abbé Georges de Nantes was told by the local bishop of Leiria, Mgr Do Amaral, that he himself conveyed to Sr Lucy the ORDER from the Vatican to shut up. Sr Lucy was silenced and all meetings, all  interviews with her were  filtered by the Vatican.
Then we can find a bit of irony (from Sr Lucy) in that sentence  "the consecration is accepted by Heavens". Of course does anyone knows of a consecration which was not accepted by Heavens? Even if it was a flawed one, the consecration of the world of 1984 (without even Russia named) was accepted BUT it didn't bring the expected fruits our Lady promised.
We got the fall of the Iron curtain and the end of the persecutions against christians in Russia.
And that's all for now.
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(06-07-2015, 09:55 AM)thomas7 Wrote:
(06-06-2015, 08:19 AM)thomas7 Wrote: Now some are saying that Russia having  already been consecrated in '84 but needs to be AGAIN because the 'era of peace' , having lasted 25 years, has come and gone, Russia is reverting back to being evil again so let's 're-consecrate' Russia again!! Unbelievable logic coming from the SpiritDaily neo catholic crowd.

Not really so illogical as hopeful in the face of the odds against the likelihood of such an extension being granted.

BTW: The crack about "neo catholic crowd"? References please? I never thought of Michael Brown , nor his writings in such a manner.

Michael Brown's site is the 'ecumenical National Enquirer' for catholics,  who's site promotes Medjugorje and literally anything that appears 'mystifying'.  Needless to say , he is not by any means a traditional catholic. 
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Respectfully, I think this opinion of yours is utter horse excreta. You must be just a pedestrian reader of the site or you are regurgitating some slop from another writer. Anyone who knows Michael Brown's work, as in actually read it, would not repeat such drivel.

Now, how about some evidence for your, up to now, unsubstantiated, mostly inaccurate post?
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(06-07-2015, 05:56 PM)maso Wrote: ...And the orthodox people of Russia didn't convert to the true catholic Faith.
Therefore: No period of peace + No conversion = The 1984 consecration wasn't properly done.
We know that before Sr Lucy said that the "consecration is accepted by Heavens", she said the contrary for at least 4 years. There are a lot of  testimonies, declarations, press reports, etc... confirming this.
The late  Abbé Georges de Nantes was told by the local bishop of Leiria, Mgr Do Amaral, that he himself conveyed to Sr Lucy the ORDER from the Vatican to shut up. Sr Lucy was silenced and all meetings, all  interviews with her were  filtered by the Vatican.
Then we can find a bit of irony (from Sr Lucy) in that sentence  "the consecration is accepted by Heavens". Of course does anyone knows of a consecration which was not accepted by Heavens? Even if it was a flawed one, the consecration of the world of 1984 (without even Russia named) was accepted BUT it didn't bring the expected fruits our Lady promised.
We got the fall of the Iron curtain and the end of the persecutions against christians in Russia.
And that's all for now.

As for as the fall of the Iron Curtain, this had nothing to do with any heroics on the part of the Church or anyone in the West at all. It was the inevitable collapse of a faux regime, BASED on Marx, but not actually what Marx proposed. 'Communism' collapsed because it was never there in the first place, not in the sense true what Marx taught. According to Marx, Communism arises naturally from the failings Capitalism, which arose from the failings of Feudalism. Capitalism never existed in Russia, it was still more or less a feudal monarchy until the emancipation of its peasant slaves in 1861.  Afterwords followed many well-attempted reforms on the part of the Czars, which had little effect on the problems of the Russian poor. The so-called October Revolution was enabled by the Germans during WWI in an indirect attack against Russia. They literally sent Lenin over to start the Revolution, which caused the Russians troops to turn against their generals and stop fighting. This is why there was so much rewriting of the history books, to make 1917 look natural, as if it was the Marxist proletariat up-rising that would lead to Communism. Of course, it wasn't, because Capitalism hadn't even been instated in Russia. They tried to do everything to make it happen, which is why it 'State Capitalism' was instated by the the so-called 'Communists' in the 1920s. The whole rest of the regime constantly engaged in trying to usher in Communism, mostly by force, with a kind of pseudo-dictatorship of the proletariat. They kept promising the people that Communism was 'just around the corner' and if everyone pulled together with the regime, that it would happen. That's what they said during WWII, with Stalin, during the 'de-Stalinization', and all the way up the point the point when the whole Communist Party had turned into a gerontocracy who couldn't agree on anything anymore. After Cherynobl and the Velvert Revolution, the game was up. The Russians rose the white flag on the USSR of their own accord, because they had no other options.

This is why some people still claim to be Communists, by the way. Theoretically, with Capitalism in full-swing, there is no reason for a Marxist today to doubt its possibilities. Of course, you really must believe in it, like a religion, where the March of History is the will of God. This is why the Church is opposed to Communism, even before anyone ever attempted it politically.

The people of Russia themselves may be Christians, but it would be a very liberal stretch to say the same of the current regime. Putin and his 'might-makes-right' policies are very much against what Jesus and the Church fathers taught. It is good, that Putin opposes the West, which has a tendency to extreme hubris to the point of imposing its 'values' all over the world. Those values not exactly being completely Christian themselves. But in the end it's still the same old strong arm grab at power, on the part of both.
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#56
So in summary of this thread "we're fucked".
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(06-08-2015, 09:31 AM)DeoDuce Wrote: So in summary of this thread "we're f***ed".

Quite succinctly stated!

But the Gospels and Daniel and Apocalypse say that something really bad is to happen, the Marian and a few other apparitions say so as well, but with greater detail in some cases, Popes have related so, even Pope St.John Paul II.

All of these seem to point to a time that we may very well be living in. It may very well be, and I personally think it is so, that we are here to be witnesses to these "End Times" events, that we were placed here at this time just for that reason. I believe that deep inside everyone of us is a nugget of God's Grace that will, at the proper time, become manifest in us as we do our particular task(s) or it will be ignored and something else will grow in its place.

We are coming to a time when the battle for souls will be as never before and the forces of evil are already gathered and having an ever more deleterious effect on those who are not Holy Spirit filled. God's forces are also ready and there are signs all around that come in apparitions some see.

Soon, it will be most evident: One can be possessed of 'Spirit', either Holy Spirit, or Evil Spirit and it will be a Perfect Possession at some point, and in one way or the other...period. 

Whether one is "F***ed" or not is exclusively a relative observation.
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(06-08-2015, 10:34 AM)Zedta Wrote:
(06-08-2015, 09:31 AM)DeoDuce Wrote: So in summary of this thread "we're f***ed".

Quite succinctly stated!

But the Gospels and Daniel and Apocalypse say that something really bad is to happen, the Marian and a few other apparitions say so as well, but with greater detail in some cases, Popes have related so, even Pope St.John Paul II.

All of these seem to point to a time that we may very well be living in. It may very well be, and I personally think it is so, that we are here to be witnesses to these "End Times" events, that we were placed here at this time just for that reason. I believe that deep inside everyone of us is a nugget of God's Grace that will, at the proper time, become manifest in us as we do our particular task(s) or it will be ignored and something else will grow in its place.

We are coming to a time when the battle for souls will be as never before and the forces of evil are already gathered and having an ever more deleterious effect on those who are not Holy Spirit filled. God's forces are also ready and there are signs all around that come in apparitions some see.

Soon, it will be most evident: One can be possessed of 'Spirit', either Holy Spirit, or Evil Spirit and it will be a Perfect Possession at some point, and in one way or the other...period. 

Whether one is "F***ed" or not is exclusively a relative observation.

I agree. Evil is picking up speed and I think things are only going to get worse. Of course by my above comment I was just being facetious. But I do believe things are converging toward the end of at least a period of darkness. I am quite thankful that God has given me the grace to return to the faith in the last few years, otherwise my above comment would truly apply to me lol. I just hope and pray that others see the signs and turn back to God before it is too late.


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