"Manspreading"
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From The Telegraph:

Quote:Bad news, tall men with a poor sense of boundaries: the NYPD have had enough of your nonsense. Yes, after op–eds in the New York Times (£), a popular crowdshaming Tumblr campaign and a series of public service ads from the Metropolitan Transport Authority, 'manspreading', or 'sitting with your legs slightly too far apart', as it used to be known, has apparently become a criminal offence.

According to a recent report from the Police Reform Organising Project, at least two men have been arrested and charged on grounds of the M–word, "presumably because they were taking up more than one seat and therefore inconveniencing other riders". Rather than simply throwing out the charges, the judge issued an order that only guarantees that the men won’t suffer further repercussions if they avoid getting arrested again in the near future. It's all part of a numbers driven crackdown on subway behaviour that's also seen arrests for break dancing, walking between the cars and – collective air punch – people putting their feet on the seats. Nobody's been arrested for playing dubstep on audio–leaking headphones yet, but it's surely only a matter of time.

On the face of it, I'm in exactly the demographic that ought to be delighted by this news. A combination of stumpy legs and terrible middle class guilt make me almost physically unable to manspread: even when I manage to wedge myself into one of the District line’s tiny seats, I’m constantly looking out for pregnant, ageing or just slightly tired people who need it more.

I’m also an incredibly intolerant commuter: if it was up to me, arrestable underground offences would include putting your bag on the seat, reading a newspaper on a crowded train, approaching the escalator queue from the left when you're planning to stand on the right, walking slightly faster than me, walking slightly slower than me, trying to get on the train before everyone else has already got off, or not already having your Oyster card out by the time you're less than ten feet from the ticket barrier.

But it's not up to me, which is a good thing because – as established in the previous sentence – I am a maniac. I simply should not be trusted with deciding what sort of anti-social behaviour merits a trip to court. And I’m not sure anybody else should either.

Leave aside, for instance, the fact that these arrests are based on a version of policing that’s far from universally accepted (the ‘Broken Windows’ model, which suggests that targeting minor sources of disorder can lead to a reduction in more serious crimes, is both simplistic and largely unproven). And ignore, for a second, the fact that this 'law' gives the police more power to selectively arrest whoever they like: it’s pretty telling that notorious menace Matthew Broderick hasn’t yet been brought to justice.

No, the main problem with arresting people for anti–social behaviour is that anti-social behaviour shouldn’t be illegal in the first place.
Criminal acts have clear boundaries, as in the case of murder, tax evasion, or torrenting episodes of Game Of Thrones; sitting with your legs too wide on a subway seat does not. Every commuter instinctively knows the difference between a man who’s tall enough to need a bit of extra room and someone who’s just being an arse, but in order to effectively prosecute it you’d need some sort of complex formula to determine guilt, which included variables like limb–length, testicular size, the number of other commuters on the train during the time of the offence and the always important willingness–to–be–accommodating–when–the–carriage–gets–crowded matrix.

And one final point worth considering: by providing clear punishments for an act, you wrench things into the realms of strict cost benefit analysis. In one famous study, a childcare facility that introduced fines for parents who arrived late to pick their children up actually made the problem worse, not better. By putting a monetary value on what was previously just a bit of a dickish thing to do, they inadvertently encouraged parents to keep breaking the rules and simply write off the cash. Have the NYPD considered that, by criminalising manspreaders, they’ll actually glamorise them, transforming them from laughable Instagram–fodder into anti–authoritarian James Dean figures defying the system? Has anyone, for that matter?

Well I have, and I don’t like it. So here’s my alternative suggestion: by all means, step up the anti­manspread campaign by whatever non–legal means you like. Take a picture of a manspreader and ask them their Twitter handle so you can tag them in it. Lobby TFL to get more aggressive with their ridiculous etiquette­poetry contests. And be proactive: if you see a manspreader in a crowded carriage, insist that they move their bag/legs so that others can sit down.

In fact, I’ll go you one further. You know the people who sit on a train with their bag on the next seat in a tacit attempt to discourage you from perching there? As soon as the train starts to fill up, make a show of sitting in that exact seat first. Together, we can reclaim the seats – and we don’t need police help to do it.

Just don’t do that passive–aggressive tutting thing. If I could, I’d make that illegal.
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#2
A couple of years and you'll be arrested in NY for having a beard or not being androgyny enough.
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#3
I'm not gonna lie, sitting like this is a good way to get more space to oneself on the bus. ;)
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#4
Ah....the feminists are getting what they want, the ability to have men arrested for stupid nonsense because they opened their vile mouths. I want to see all the "Catholic feminists" come and try to justify this one! Sunset.....jaca.....SCG......yeah keep sticking your heads in the sand screaming NAFALT ladies! Maybe someday it will be true! Apparently there is enough feminist stupidity to harass men legally. Go check your privilege ladies!
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#5
I don't get it...could someone mansplain this to me?
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#6
all i know is a guy at mass this morning took up two peoples worth of pew space with excessive manspreading.
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#8
If manspreading is actually a problem, the best way to make men stop is to tell them they are making their bulges obvious and enjoyable for other men.  That should stop most of it right there, even in this 'socially tolerant' era.  Even most tolerant straight men don't enjoy being made consciously aware that other men may be fawning over them.
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(03-28-2016, 10:13 AM)Melkite Wrote: If manspreading is actually a problem, the best way to make men stop is to tell them they are making their bulges obvious and enjoyable for other men.  That should stop most of it right there, even in this 'socially tolerant' era.  Even most tolerant straight men don't enjoy being made consciously aware that other men may be fawning over them.

Or, on the flip side, to make folks really uncomfortable, drop a sweet tater down the front of your pants, then manspread.  :LOL:
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#10
When society starts lambasting women for putting their bags on the seat next to them then the discussion can begin. Until that time, this is just another female attempt to dominate men.
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