Winnipeg Priest Pleads Guilty to Sex Abuse
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(08-08-2015, 05:33 PM)richgr Wrote:
(08-08-2015, 03:26 AM)xandratax Wrote:
(08-08-2015, 12:16 AM)richgr Wrote: For those untrained to see the signs, it can be a real shock. One of my favorite professors was a Jesuit priest who ended up owning over $1500 in child pornography. I knew from listening to his homilies and talking to him that he was clearly unhappy as a priest, but to most students he seemed like just a funny, smart professor who was comfortable making worldly jokes.

And not to make you paranoid, but as you most likely already know, most sexual abuse occurs from family members or neighbors, people that you are close to. It is important to learn how to identify abnormal social behavior and not try to brush it aside as, [u]"Well, he's just idiosyncratic like that."[/u]

What exactly do you mean by 'abnormal social behavior' and the under 'idiosyncratic' as in the underlined above?
There are differences between people who possess varying levels of social ineptness and people who possess pathological tendencies. Sometimes they're very subtle and can be discerned in how people respond to various social situations. Usually subtle and seemingly random expressions of hostility (and sometimes very overt expressions) are signs of an unhealthy mind rather than simply a socially inept one.

Another area that this is related to is boundaries between two people and how those boundaries are expressed. Anyone in a position of power over another, for example priest, boss, teacher, adult to child, etc., must maintain strict boundaries and invitations to breach these boundaries are clear red flags. Sometimes one can tell that the breach is simply due to incompetence, but it requires close observation to see if other factors are involved as well.

As I said with the priest I knew, to most people, he was just a jolly priest, but if you paid attention to his jokes (e.g. references to alcoholism), his side points in his homily about the joys of fatherhood and having children, how he treated some students with a certain hostility, you could tell something was up.

Are you sure your interpretation of your teacher's actions is not ex post facto?

The cases I know personally had nothing to do with weirdos but rather with popular, seemingly happy and well balanced married [or divorced] teachers (though these were not proper pedophiles, but seducers of young girls, like 15 or 16).
I do think it would be gravely misleading to psychologize yet another fault in character.

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I never thought specifically that my teacher was into child pornography (that would be a pretty chilling ability to have), but I knew that he was unbalanced psychologically and for that reason I never was very trusting of him, so that when we heard the news, it was no surprise to me. Perhaps it's a bit hard to describe these things over the internet, but when you develop some experience from working with such people and in psychology and counseling, you see it enough to recognize it pretty quickly even if you might not know what the specific problem is.
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(08-09-2015, 01:25 AM)richgr Wrote: I never thought specifically that my teacher was into child pornography (that would be a pretty chilling ability to have), but I knew that he was unbalanced psychologically and for that reason I never was very trusting of him, so that when we heard the news, it was no surprise to me. Perhaps it's a bit hard to describe these things over the internet, but when you develop some experience from working with such people and in psychology and counseling, you see it enough to recognize it pretty quickly even if you might not know what the specific problem is.

Now you see Rich, I would say exactly the opposite: 'It's always the quiet ones....'!  :LOL: Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but obvious I'm a more 'idiosyncratic' type, and you're a more quiet type, so perhaps that's why we think the way that we do about this matter? Seriously, I doubt that something like this can ever really be detected just by looking. Now if the priest has a tendency to pat someone's backside every now and then, that's a different matter. But just like there are thousands of many ways to be an alcoholic, perversion is also very diverse.

I'm also more willing to give the benefit of the doubt in certain situations. Example: Not everyone looks at porn with the intention to jerk off. Some people are just curious to see what it is. (I mean those who just go for a look once and that's it. Someone who habitually watches porn, even if it's just that, has moved beyond curiosity.) Someone who makes their own porn is obviously on a completely different level depravity. I guess I'm just sick of sex offenders being treated like less-than-human beasts who have no chance of redemption (as the law frequently treats them). Justice be done, of course, and such priests are rightfully defrocked, but I'm sick of hearing all of these perverted priest stories with little to no consideration for the deeper problem. We here at FE tend to link this trend to the loss of faith in the Church, but the outside media who attacks these stories likes sharks on a feeding frenzy rarely ask deeper questions. It's just become a general consensus that Catholics are out of touch with human sexuality (celibacy, contraception, etc.) and 'that's why!'
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(08-08-2015, 04:29 AM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(08-07-2015, 11:52 PM)PrairieMom Wrote: CBC, where the article was sourced, is terrible at editing. They often don't express things very well, this is a good example of it. LOL... I'm so used to it, I don't even bother correcting it usually anymore.

From other news sources, I know that the incidents occurred when the boys were between the ages of 9 and 18, with two attacks occurring in the 80's and the other from 2002-2004.

Oh, I guessed it was typical sloppy reporting by the Communist Broadcasting Corporation! I lived in Canada for a long time and listened to them and read their website regularly.

I actually made my original post more as a test to see if people were paying attention. :LOL:

I failed. :crazy:
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(08-09-2015, 12:15 PM)xandratax Wrote: I guess I'm just sick of sex offenders being treated like less-than-human beasts who have no chance of redemption (as the law frequently treats them). Justice be done, of course, and such priests are rightfully defrocked, but I'm sick of hearing all of these perverted priest stories with little to no consideration for the deeper problem. We here at FE tend to link this trend to the loss of faith in the Church, but the outside media who attacks these stories likes sharks on a feeding frenzy rarely ask deeper questions. It's just become a general consensus that Catholics are out of touch with human sexuality (celibacy, contraception, etc.) and 'that's why!'

The problem is there is no cure for pedophilia. It's a diabolic sexual confusion that baffles modern science. People are afraid of it because it's totally incurable.  Even chemical castration (or real castration) doesn't rid the pedophile of his thoughts for children. To be cured they need nothing short of a miracle.
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(08-09-2015, 06:17 PM)brogan Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 12:15 PM)xandratax Wrote: I guess I'm just sick of sex offenders being treated like less-than-human beasts who have no chance of redemption (as the law frequently treats them). Justice be done, of course, and such priests are rightfully defrocked, but I'm sick of hearing all of these perverted priest stories with little to no consideration for the deeper problem. We here at FE tend to link this trend to the loss of faith in the Church, but the outside media who attacks these stories likes sharks on a feeding frenzy rarely ask deeper questions. It's just become a general consensus that Catholics are out of touch with human sexuality (celibacy, contraception, etc.) and 'that's why!'

The problem is there is no cure for pedophilia. It's a diabolic sexual confusion that baffles modern science. People are afraid of it because it's totally incurable.  Even chemical castration (or real castration) doesn't rid the pedophile of his thoughts for children. To be cured they need nothing short of a miracle.

Which seems to validate the claim that "our thoughts determine our lives"*.  Miracles can and DO happen, too.



*There's a great book by that very title!  :)
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(08-09-2015, 07:18 PM)J Michael Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 06:17 PM)brogan Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 12:15 PM)xandratax Wrote: I guess I'm just sick of sex offenders being treated like less-than-human beasts who have no chance of redemption (as the law frequently treats them). Justice be done, of course, and such priests are rightfully defrocked, but I'm sick of hearing all of these perverted priest stories with little to no consideration for the deeper problem. We here at FE tend to link this trend to the loss of faith in the Church, but the outside media who attacks these stories likes sharks on a feeding frenzy rarely ask deeper questions. It's just become a general consensus that Catholics are out of touch with human sexuality (celibacy, contraception, etc.) and 'that's why!'

The problem is there is no cure for pedophilia. It's a diabolic sexual confusion that baffles modern science. People are afraid of it because it's totally incurable.  Even chemical castration (or real castration) doesn't rid the pedophile of his thoughts for children. To be cured they need nothing short of a miracle.

Which seems to validate the claim that "our thoughts determine our lives"*.  Miracles can and DO happen, too.



*There's a great book by that very title!  :)

Miracles can and do happen, but I think with pedophilia, it becomes a condition to be managed not unlike drug or alcohol addiction. Unfortunately, management is dependent on the person and the environment in which they live.

I mean, a person who is alcoholic can abstain from alcohol. But a pedophile... children are everywhere. Short of locking themselves in their house for the rest of their lives, what are they to do?

As horrendous as what pedophiles do, I feel bad for them on some levels because they really don't have a chance. Once the cycle starts, it's pretty hopeless. And they are the bad of the bad if and when they end up in jail - even among thieves there is honour, and they are often brutalized in prison, which makes them that much more dysfunctional once released.
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Well, for straight men (or women) women (or men) are everywhere also. For gays idem, but in reverse.
It doesn't follow everybody will become a rapist. They have to live as celibates like everybody else, sans married folks (who, nonetheless, must abstain from everybody else).
Even if one has this highly disordered inclination it must be a big step to actually pursue a child. One must already be far gone.
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(08-10-2015, 11:36 AM)PrairieMom Wrote: Miracles can and do happen, but I think with pedophilia, it becomes a condition to be managed not unlike drug or alcohol addiction. Unfortunately, management is dependent on the person and the environment in which they live.

I mean, a person who is alcoholic can abstain from alcohol. But a pedophile... children are everywhere. Short of locking themselves in their house for the rest of their lives, what are they to do?

As horrendous as what pedophiles do, I feel bad for them on some levels because they really don't have a chance. Once the cycle starts, it's pretty hopeless. And they are the bad of the bad if and when they end up in jail - even among thieves there is honour, and they are often brutalized in prison, which makes them that much more dysfunctional once released.

Alcohol isn't that easy to avoid, in fact. It's socially accepted and ubiquitous, even abuse to a certain level. It's just accepted that some people are 'bar flys.' Whether that makes it harder or easier to stop I don't know, but it certainly makes a big difference vis-a-vis pedophilia. Alcoholism also has a physical tolerance as obstacle that all sexual addiction does not have. You can even die from alcohol/drug withdrawal.

Anyway, an article that I read at First Things recently changed my way of thinking about this particular issue and the way that it is dealt with legally:

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusive...everything
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