Strange Holy Card
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By Pontormo, A.D. 1525:


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#23

From St. Augustine's Church, the oldest Catholic church in Philly:


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#24

From Catholic church in Spitz, Austria:

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From Aachen Cathedral:
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From the Vatican:

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#27
Lol you just flooded your own thread.
Anyway, read the book I've quoted to see how these Renaissance symbols came about.
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#28
How far back do prayer cards go? Anybody know if anybody has a great collection like a stamp or coin collection?
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#29
(10-22-2015, 03:23 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: Lol you just flooded your own thread.

Nah, just posting pix. Posting small ones with large ones that require horizontal scrolling make the smaller ones get lost visually.

(10-22-2015, 03:23 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: Anyway, read the book I've quoted to see how these Renaissance symbols came about.

I'm not seeing anything in that chapter about the Eye of God that's relevant. Some of the text is missing from the preview might be relevant to your argument, but what's there doesn't help. It goes from the Eye of God in the Central/South America to alchemical uses of the triangle. If you're alleging that the Eye of God inside a triangle is, necessarily anyway, Masonic, it can't fly if one dates Freemasonry to 1717, when the first Grand Lodge was built. The first painting I posted, for ex., dates to 1525.

There's no doubt that Freemasonry coopted the symbol, but it had been a Christian symbol before that -- albeit not as popular a one as, say, the ship, the pelican, etc.
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#30
(10-22-2015, 09:09 AM)Renatus Frater Wrote: Are you guys really using 18, 19th century as your reference for old Huh?
Also, France in the 19th century: there was that thing, the French revolution. That's one of the reasons I thought Masons were behind this—and btw, it wouldn't be the first time hidden cultic symbolism passed as pious devotion after the Dante affair. But even so, I don't recall seeing this stuff a lot in French churches (though, to be fair, I didn't visit that many churches).

Qoheleth, I don't know what to tell you, man. That's not traditional symbolism. Someone was either Masonic or didn't know what they were doing and invented their own symbols.

The eye in the triangle appears on many 'normal' French holy cards. I have one from the same time period as the original one posted, which I bought from a flea market in Paris. I think this image is just a bit lost in translation as it tries to solve what we artists call a 'visual problem.' There's plenty of bad art in the world, much of which has no malicious intent at all:

http://museumofbadart.org/

I think this card was inspired by the actual words of the Mass 'Lift up your hearts' and tried to depict spiritual communion a little too literally, that's all.
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