The Vatican’s Secret Life
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This is from November 2013, but it's new to me! From Vanity Fair:




Letter From RomeNovember 30, 2013 7:00 pm

The Vatican’s Secret Life

Despite headlines about a powerful “gay lobby” within the Vatican, and a new Pope promising reform, the Catholic Church’s gay cardinals, monks, and other clergy inhabit a hidden netherworld. In Rome, the author learns how they navigate the dangerous paradox of their lives.

by Michael Joseph Gross


Naked but for the towel around his waist, a man of a certain age sat by himself, bent slightly forward as if praying, in a corner of the sauna at a gym in central Rome. I had not met this man before, but as I entered the sauna, I thought I recognized him from photographs. He looked like a priest with whom I’d corresponded after mutual friends put us in touch, a man I had wanted to consult about gay clerics in the Vatican Curia. My friends told me that this priest was gay, politically savvy, and well connected to the gay Church hierarchy in Rome.

But this couldn’t be that priest. He had told me that he’d be away and couldn’t meet. Yet as I looked at the man more closely, I saw that it was definitely him. When we were alone, I spoke his name, telling him mine. “I thought you were out of the country,” I said. “How lucky for me: you’re here!” Startled, the priest talked fast. Yes, his plans had changed, he said, but he was leaving again the next day and would return only after I was gone.

During the previous few days, I had heard a lot about this man. I had heard that he is a gossip, a social operator whose calendar is a blur of drinks and dinners with cardinals and archbishops, principessas and personal trainers. Supposedly, he loves to dish male colleagues with campy female nicknames. But I would never have the experience firsthand. The priest was embarrassed: to have been chanced upon at this place; to have had his small evasions revealed. The encounter was awkward. No, he did not wish to discuss the subject I was interested in. No, he did not think the subject worthwhile. These things he made clear. We left the sauna and, after further conversation, civil but stilted, went our separate ways.

I could understand his discomfort. But in Rome these days the topic of gay priests in the upper reaches of the Holy See is hard to avoid. In February of this year, not long before the College of Cardinals gathered in the Sistine Chapel for the conclave to choose the 266th Pope, the largest Italian daily newspaper, La Repubblica, reported that a “gay lobby”—a more or less unified cabal of homosexual power brokers—might be operating inside the Vatican. According to the newspaper, the possible existence of this gay lobby was among the many secrets described in a two-volume, 300-page report bound in red and presented to Pope Benedict XVI by three cardinals he had appointed to investigate the affair known as “VatiLeaks.” That scandal, which raised fresh suspicions of endemic corruption within the Curia, had broken the previous year after Paolo Gabriele, the papal butler, made off with some of Benedict’s private papers and leaked them to the press.

The internal VatiLeaks report, according to La Repubblica, indicated that gay clerics in the Vatican were being blackmailed. The report was also said to document the alleged gay lobby’s social structure and customs. Yet details concerning gay priests’ gatherings added up to old news: the tales had been told in articles previously published by La Repubblica itself. Sensationally, the newspaper suggested that Benedict’s concern about the alleged gay lobby was one reason he had suddenly resigned the papacy.

Months later, another leak of confidential information brought the subject of a gay lobby back into the news. Someone took notes during what was meant to be a private meeting between Latin-American Church leaders and the new Pope, the former cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, now known as Francis. In June, those notes were published on a progressive Catholic Web site. Francis was quoted as saying, “The ‘gay lobby’ is mentioned, and it is true, it is there … We need to see what we can do.”


A Closet with No Door

Gay lobby? It depends on what you mean. The term could refer to a shadowy group like the Illuminati, whose members quietly exercise supreme power. This is the sort of idea that lights up the tinfoil hats of conspiracy theorists, and it doesn’t capture the slow, feudal, inefficient workings of the Vatican. “Gay lobby” is really shorthand for something else. At the Vatican, a significant number of gay prelates and other gay clerics are in positions of great authority. They may not act as a collective but are aware of one another’s existence. And they inhabit a secretive netherworld, because homosexuality is officially condemned.



Vox Wrote:Sigh. No, "homosexuality" is not condemned, officially or otherwise. Homosexual acts are.  Homosexuals who haven't healed from their struggles shouldn't be ordained until they have, though.

Though the number of gay priests in general, and specifically among the Curia in Rome, is unknown, the proportion is much higher than in the general population. Between 20 and 60 percent of all Catholic priests are gay, according to one estimate cited by Donald B. Cozzens in his well-regarded The Changing Face of the Priesthood. For gay clerics at the Vatican, one fundamental condition of their power, and of their priesthood, is silence, at least in public, about who they really are.

Vox Wrote:
If that number is accurate -- 20 - 60% -- then the gatekeepers have failed. Or, the gatekeepers are homosexuals themselves and have "succeeded" in terms of meeting the goal of having more homosexual priests. In any case, there is either something inside the human element of the Church that is attracting homosexuals for some reason (a place to hide? a place to party, assuming homosexual gatekeepers have succeeded in reaching a nefarious goal?) and/or there is something about our culture that motivates homosexuals to enter the priesthood.  I'll skip another obvious idea -- that they enter the Church out of love of Christ and the desire to do His holy will (by "they," I mean the "lavender mafia" type who's about watering down Church teaching, not individual men who've struggled with homosexual desires, overcome them, and entered seminary. The lavender mafia types aren't doing God's will, so that's out).

Whatever the case actually is, this is one of the reasons why I am very much for making our culture such that homosexuals are comfortable "coming out" and being open and honest about who they are, what their struggles are, etc., and why I'm a stickler about sloppy thinking and writing about homosexuals and homosexuality. People should be able to live with integrity, to not feel as if they have some shameful secret that is rooted in something they have no control over. That forces people to hide, invites blackmail, cannot be psychologically beneficial to anyone, pushes people into seminaries or marriages when they don't belong in them, etc.

-- none of which, of course, is to condone homosexual sex(that should go without saying, but I know how I'm often interpreted by the "toxic" types). I simply want people to be able to be who they are and to be accepted, treated with respect and dignity when it comes to things not centered in the will (e.g., looks, unbidden and unchosen desires, intelligence, interests, etc.)

Clerics inhabit this silence in a variety of ways. A few keep their sexuality entirely private and adhere to the vow of celibacy. Many others quietly let themselves be known as gay to a limited degree, to some colleagues, or to some laypeople, or both; sometimes they remain celibate and sometimes they do not.

Vox Wrote:"Celibate" means refraining from marriage, not sexually continent or chaste. And priests know it (or should) -- and know that people are often confused by the terms -- so much so that a writer in Vanity Fair used the word to mean sexually continent (though it's likely that dictionaries are now using it to mean that nowadays. You know how that goes). Anyway, I bring this up because -- well, first, it's a pet peeve of mine, and second, it's a way for an unchaste priest to lie without lying. A priest who goes out on the town and has sex with men or women, or men and women, every night can look at someone and, with a straight face, say "I'm perfectly celibate," knowing he's simply saying he's renounced marriage, but knowing the person he's talking to is likely understanding him to be saying he's sexually continent. I am pretty sure I've "caught" a priest doing just that before.

A third way, perhaps the least common but certainly the most visible, involves living a double life. Occasionally such clerics are unmasked, usually by stories in the Italian press. In 2010, for the better part of a month, one straight journalist pretended to be the boyfriend of a gay man who acted as a “honeypot” and entrapped actual gay priests in various sexual situations. (The cardinal vicar of Rome was given the task of investigating. The priests’ fates are unknown.)

Vox Wrote:
I hope there was no entrapment involved -- no tempting of men who'd otherwise have remained chaste. That would suck...

There are at least a few gay cardinals, including one whose long-term partner is a well-known minister in a Protestant denomination. There is the notorious monsignor nicknamed “Jessica,” who likes to visit a pontifical university and pass out his business card to 25-year-old novices. (Among the monsignor’s pickup lines: “Do you want to see the bed of John XXIII?”) There’s the supposedly straight man who has a secret life as a gay prostitute in Rome and posts photographs online of the innermost corridors of the Vatican. Whether he received this privileged access from some friend or family member, or from a client, is impossible to say; to see a known rent boy in black leather on a private Vatican balcony does raise an eyebrow.

Vox Wrote:
I felt a little sick reading that...

The Vatican holds secrets so tightly that it can make Fort Meade look like a sloppy drunk. Yet dozens of interviews with current and former gay priests, gay monks, veteran Vatican journalists, Italian aristocrats, and gay men at Roman gyms, bars, nightclubs, sex clubs, and restaurants suggest that, riveting as the more graphic stories are, they convey a limited part of the reality of gay clerical life in Rome. To be gay in the Vatican is no guarantee of success, mark of belonging, or shortcut to erotic intrigue. Most basically it is a sentence of isolation. Gays in the Vatican are creatures of a cutthroat bureaucracy whose dogmatic worldview denies or denigrates their own existence. They live in a closet that has no door. Among recent Popes, Benedict made the most concerted effort to sharpen Church doctrine on homosexuality, which he once called “a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil.” He tried to cull gays from clerical ranks, most notably in 2005, when men with known “deep-seated homosexual tendencies” were prohibited from being ordained, even if they were celibate.

Denunciation and exposure have made gay priests figures of fascination—though less as people than as symbols—especially to the secular far left and the religious far right. Both sides find these clerics to be politically useful. The left uses them to level charges of hypocrisy. The right sees them as a stain in need of removal. They all got a shock late last July when Francis made his first direct public statement about gay clerics since becoming Pope.

During an impromptu press conference aboard the papal jet, en route from Rio de Janeiro to Rome after his first overseas trip, Francis was asked about the so-called gay lobby. His response, delivered with casual humor and punctuated by shrugs and smiles, was as follows: “So much has been written about the gay lobby. I still haven’t run into anyone in the Vatican who has shown me an identity card with ‘gay’ on it.” He pantomimed holding up such a card in his left hand and then went on: “When you find yourself with a person like that, you have to distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of somebody forming a lobby. . . . If a person is gay and is searching for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?”


Vox Wrote:Meanwhile, back at the ranch, this is what Francis says about us Christians.


He spoke these words with a palpable warmth, unlike the embattled, wary tone that other Popes have adopted. This may well have been the first time in history that a Pope has publicly uttered the term “gay”—the word that most men who feel romantic love for other men use to describe themselves—instead of the pathologizing 19th-century medical term “homosexual.” Then, in a lengthy interview with a Jesuit journal, the Pope went further, stating that the Church’s ministry should not be “obsessed” with a few divisive moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage. “When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?” the Pope asked rhetorically. “We must always consider the person.”


Vox Wrote:"No duh" with regard to those last two lines. But I find it rather sick that a Pope who'd say we "shouldn't be 'obsessed' with a few divisive moral issues such as [murdering babies] and [playing with the very word of God, a Sacrament]" gives enough of a crap about global cooling global warming climate change that he'd write a whole encyclical about it.


Every Man for Himself

Tales of gays in the Vatican have been told for more than a thousand years. Pope John XII, who reigned from 955 to 964, was accused of having sex with men and boys and turning the papal palace “into a whorehouse.” While trying to persuade a cobbler’s apprentice to have sex with him, Pope Boniface VIII, who reigned from 1294 to 1303, was said to have assured the boy that two men having sex was “no more a sin than rubbing your hands together.” After Paul II, who reigned from 1464 to 1471, died of a heart attack—while in flagrante delicto with a page, according to one rumor—he was succeeded by Sixtus IV, who kept a nephew as his lover (and made the nephew a cardinal at age 17). Some such stories are better substantiated than others. Even while their reliability is questionable, they demonstrate that playing the gay card (even if you yourself are gay) is an ancient Curial tactic. “There are closeted gay priests who are vipers,” observes the theologian Mark D. Jordan, the author of The Silence of Sodom: Homosexuality in Modern Catholicism. “They are really poisonous people, and they work out their own inner demonology by getting into positions in power and exercising it” against other gay men, women, and anyone whom they perceive to be a threat. “Alongside that are suffering priests who seem sincere all the way down, who are trying to be faithful to God, and also to take care of people and change the institution. They are the ones who are always forgotten, and read out of the story from both sides.”

The Catholic priesthood’s contemporary gay cultural memory begins in the middle of the last century. When Paul VI assumed the throne, in 1963, by one account he took his papal name not from any predecessor but from a former lover, a film actor. That at least was the contention of the provocative gay French writer Roger Peyrefitte, whose 1976 allegations about Paul VI caused such a stir that Paul took to the balcony of St. Peter’s to denounce the “horrible and slanderous” accusations. Paul looked a laughingstock, and the Curia learned a lesson: better to ignore such charges than to amplify them by denial.

Meanwhile, some gay clerics were outgrowing the “particular friendships” that had long been part of monastic life and joining the sexual revolution. By the 1970s, the center of gay life in Rome was a cruising area called Monte Caprino, on the Capitoline Hill. At a small party of gay monks and their friends in Rome last summer, conversation turned to recollections of that place. “It was like its own little city,” one monk remembered, “with hundreds of people—everyone from seminarians to bishops—and then there were, conveniently, bushes off to the side.”


Vox Wrote:
Oh, my gosh... Really?

The fellow feeling at Monte Caprino was compromised by the air of secrecy around the place. The area was a target for muggers and thieves, who figured rightly that clerics would make ideal victims because they had much to lose by the public act of pressing charges. One gay former seminarian recalled a night when three men beat him up and stole his wallet while numerous men in the crowded park stood by. Left bloodied by the thieves, the seminarian hollered at the bystanders, “There’s three of them and 300 of us!”

He told me this story, with its echoes of the parable of the Good Samaritan—in which a traveler is robbed, beaten, and left by the side of the road, and pious men do nothing to help him—to illustrate the every-man-for-himself dynamic of Rome’s gay clerical culture. Gay clerics often fail to help one another, he says, for the same reason that no one tried to help him the night that he was robbed: solidarity entails the risk of being outed.


“La Maledetta”

Self-centeredness can breed a sense of entitlement. “A certain part of the clergy feels that no one will care what they do if they are discreet,” says Marco Politi, a prominent Italian journalist and longtime Vatican correspondent, and the author of several books about the papacy and the Church. In 2000, Politi published a book-length interview with an anonymous gay priest, entitled La Confessione, republished in 2006 as Io, Prete Gay (I, Gay Priest). “Rumors are O.K., but not scandal,” Politi observes.

There has been plenty of scandal, though. In 2007, Monsignor Tommaso Stenico met a young man in an online chat room and invited him to his Vatican office, where their conversation—in which Stenico denied that gay sex was a sin, touched the man’s leg, and said, “You’re so hot”—was secretly videotaped and then broadcast on Italian television. (Stenico tried to persuade Italian newspapers that he’d just been playing along in order “to study how priests are ensnared” into gay sex as part of “a diabolical plan by groups of Satanists.” He was suspended from his Vatican position.)


Vox Wrote:
I bet he wouldn't be fired today. He'd likely be given a red hat.

In 2006 a priest in the Vatican’s Secretariat of State injured police officers and smashed into police cars during a high-speed chase through a district in Rome known for transsexuals and prostitutes. (The priest was acquitted on all charges after claiming that he fled because he feared he was being kidnapped.) In a 2010 investigation of contract fixing for construction projects, Italian police wiretaps happened to catch a papal usher and Gentleman of His Holiness, Angelo Balducci, allegedly hiring male prostitutes, some of whom may have been seminarians, through a Nigerian member of a Vatican choir. (The choir member was dismissed; Balducci was convicted on corruption charges.)

Pope Benedict was rumored to have ordered that prelates who were living double lives be retired or removed from Rome. Marco Politi speculates that perhaps as many as 30 were eased out. The most senior prelate to lose his job was Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh. A staunch opponent of gay marriage who had publicly called homosexuality a “moral degradation,” O’Brien was brought down in February by three priests and one ex-priest who accused him of “inappropriate contact” and predatory behavior when he was their bishop. The episodes recounted by the four men involved such consistent patterns over more than 30 years that some of O’Brien’s colleagues surely must have had their suspicions. When I asked one archbishop if he had known that O’Brien was gay, however, the archbishop said he had not. When I asked the archbishop who among the other cardinals were O’Brien’s closest friends, he coldly answered, “I don’t think he had any.” Every man for himself, indeed.


Vox Wrote:
At least that guy stood up for the Church's teachings in spite of his own inclinations. I wonder if he was a true hypocrite or just weak. If the latter, I kind of pity him (though he shouldn't have been ordained until and unless he'd dealt with his homosexuality).

Even Benedict has been dogged by rumors that he is gay. Though no solid evidence has ever emerged, it is treated as common knowledge by many in Rome, who cite stereotypes galore, including his fussy fashion sense (his ruby-red slippers, his “Valentino red” capes); his crusade to nail down why “homosexual actions” are “intrinsically disordered” (many closeted gay men, from Roy Cohn to Cardinal O’Brien, have made the most extraordinary efforts to condemn homosexuality); and his bromance with Archbishop Georg Gänswein, his longtime personal secretary. (Nicknamed Bel Giorgio, or “Gorgeous George,” the rugged Gänswein skis, plays tennis, and pilots airplanes. He inspired Donatella Versace’s winter 2007 “clergyman collection.”) Perhaps the most vicious of Benedict’s nicknames is “La Maledetta.” The word means “cursed” in Italian, but the pun derives from the fact that the term means the exact opposite of Benedict’s own name in Italian, Benedetto, which means “blessed”—with a gender change achieved in the process.

Neither Benedict nor Gänswein has publicly responded to any of this. The chatter’s main consequence has been not to hurt them personally (though surely it must, at least a little) but to help lock down genuine conversation about the everyday lives of gay priests, whether celibate or not. It is more or less impossible for gay clerics to articulate their affections in any way that does not amount to what an Anglo-Saxon mind might see as hypocrisy. Yet such a dualistic existence is very much a part of Church tradition. “This is almost an aspect of the Catholic religion itself,” Colm Tóibín has written in an essay on gays and Catholicism, “this business of knowing and not knowing something all at the same time, keeping an illusion separate from the truth.” It is also typical of Italian sexuality in general, and Italian homosexuality in particular. This is the country that tolerated the sexual escapades and serial frauds of former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi with scarcely a hint of protest from the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. This is the country where countless married women ignore their husbands’ dalliances with men.


La Bella Figura

The culture of deception operates according to signals and conventions by which gay clerics navigate their lives. Camp is perhaps the most powerful and pervasive of these codes, though it can be difficult to define. Ironic, effeminate self-mockery—allowing priests to exercise some limited rebellion against their own isolation and invisibility—is one form of clerical camp. For fear of laughing out loud, priests sometimes try to avoid making eye contact with one another in church when hymns with titles like “Hail, Holy Queen” are sung. After Bergoglio became Pope Francis, YouTube clips of a sequence from Fellini’s Roma went viral among gay priests in Rome. It shows a plain-looking cardinal watching a runway show of over-the-top clerical attire—which ends when the departed Pope steals the show by appearing in the glorious garb of a Sun God.

One gay former priest, who still lives in Rome, describes clerical camp as “a natural way of expressing [gay identity] while celibate.” Socially, he says, it is “a key that unlocks a further element of trust.” There’s nothing earth-shattering about this—it’s what every institution does—but “the Church has a lot more experience and practice at protecting itself. As far as that goes,” he says, with a nod to Cole Porter, “they’re the tops.”

When this former priest began his education in Rome, a professor told him, “There shouldn’t be a subculture. We are all male here, so it’s inappropriate to say ‘her’ or to refer to other men with feminine pronouns.” The former priest says that “none of this instruction was about our behavior. It was about how we should appear.” He believes that such instruction illustrates a little-noted change in official thinking about Catholic identity, and what should be at its center. “The symbols of the Church should be the sacraments,” such as the Eucharist, he argues, but over time the people who administer the sacraments have come to displace them in prominence. In other words, “the priests become the symbols” that are deemed most important. Which in turn puts a premium on outward appearance and enforces conformity to a certain official ideal. The Church, therefore, is increasingly preoccupied with making sure its leaders are groomed from among “boys who look holy: playing dress-up at the American College and going down to Piazza Navona at nine P.M. to say their Breviaries.” Sacraments and liturgy, the former priest says, are “the kernel of what makes the Church important. This is what makes us powerful. Not the protection of medieval institutions.”

Yet in the Church, as in Italian society, it’s often the case that right appearance—la bella figura—is all. In every detail, parties celebrating appointment to the Vatican and other high Church offices can be lavish—“like a posh girl’s wedding”—with many clerics in attendance being “gay men wearing everything handmade, perfect, queer as it comes,” observes one prominent figure in the Roman art world. But la bella figura matters just as much at ordinary moments. Especially for clerics who break the vow of celibacy, it is crucial to keep up appearances in the normal course of life.

Gay saunas are good places to meet other gay priests and monks. The best times to find clerics at the saunas are late afternoon or evening on Thursdays (when pontifical universities have no classes) or Sundays (after Mass). Some gay celibate clerics use the saunas not for sex but to experience a sense of fellowship with others like themselves. One calls his sauna visits “something to confirm myself as I am.” (Rome has few gay bars, and John Moss, the American owner of the largest and oldest one, the Hangar, says that the rise of Internet cruising, combined with the Vatican’s crackdown on gay priests, has decimated his gay clerical clientele. “There used to be so many seminarians—such beautiful men—who came to the bar, and we would even get hired to take parties to them in some of the religious houses. Now there’s nobody.”)

Once you make a connection, it’s possible to use your monastery cell for sexual assignations, as long as you don’t make much noise. “You can sneak people in, no problem,” one gay monk says, “but try to avoid consistent patterns of movement.” In other words, don’t invite a guy over on the same day of the week, or at the same time of day, very often. That said, “no one has sex” with other residents of his own monastery, a former monk told me, “because it is like a Big Brother house. Everyone knows everything.”

The more senior the cleric, the more likely he may be to play loose with the rules. One leading Vatican reporter (who says that, among journalists on the beat, the two most common topics for gossip about Church officials are “who’s gay and who’s on the take”) describes the logic of such behavior. “Everything is permitted because you are a prince of the court,” he says. “If you are truly loyal and entrusted with the highest level of responsibility, there has to be an extra liberty attached in order to be able to pull it off.”

Vows of celibacy don’t say anything about eye candy. Some Curia officials are said to handpick extremely handsome men for menial jobs in order to make Vatican City more scenic. A layman I know whose job requires frequent trips to the Vatican used to enjoy flirting with a muscular go-go boy who danced on the bar at a gay nightclub in Rome. One day at the Vatican, this layman was amazed to see the dancer out of context, dressed in the uniform of a security guard. When he made to greet the man, the guard signaled him to stay back, raising a finger to his lips in a quiet “Shhhhh … ”

Where silence can’t strictly be kept, word games can compartmentalize the truth. In the Vatican office of a monsignor who I’d been told might have some firsthand knowledge concerning recent gay scandals in the Church, I asked, point-blank, “Are you gay?,” and he serenely answered, “No.” I replied, “I wonder, if a priest is homosexual—but does not participate in mainstream secular gay culture—could he say that he is not ‘gay’ and still think he’s telling the truth?” “What an interesting question,” the monsignor said, immediately standing up and gesturing me to the door. “I’m afraid I don’t have any more time to talk.” He insisted on personally walking me out of the building, and as we passed along a grand hallway I remarked upon its beauty. “I don’t see it,” he replied archly. “To me, other hallways are ‘beautiful.’ ” Was this an innocent remark, or a coded answer to my question? Sometimes talking to gay priests feels like reading stories by Borges.


Vox Wrote:
"Other hallways"? Does the possible "coded answer" mean what I think it means? Eeeeeew!

For those who want it, organized networks can provide some grounding. A few small groups of gay Catholics in Rome operate publicly, but because anyone can come to their meetings, it can be risky for priests, especially Vatican officials, to be part of them. One private group of about 50 gay priests and laymen meets once a year, for a kind of retreat. A Vatican priest I met with—he actually invited me to stop by his office near St. Peter’s because he said he wanted “to show that this is no secret,” though it’s secret enough that he can’t be named—is involved with this group, as part of an unofficial ministry in addition to his official duties. He says that his superiors, including at least one very prominent Vatican official, have long known he is gay, and have even promoted him since learning that fact.

Yet gays in the Vatican, like spies in intelligence services, inhabit boxes within boxes. The priest who helps with the group of 50 raised his eyebrows when I repeated to him something an archbishop had told me. “I know a priest who ministers to people in the Curia in that situation,” the archbishop said, though “he is not assigned officially.”

“That is not me,” the priest said, amazed. “I wonder who it could be.”


Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

As you would expect, the priest I met in the sauna looks rather different with vestments on. When I walked into church a few days later, for Sunday-morning Mass, he was the celebrant—even though, when we met, he had said he was about to leave town. Maybe his plans had changed again.

He was preaching a homily on the Gospel reading, the parable of the Good Samaritan. The priest told the congregation that this story was a challenge. A challenge to accept “risk in favor of compassion.” A challenge to “look more deeply at ‘Who is my neighbor?’ ” A challenge to be generous, unlike “the religious, spiritual person who did nothing to help.” Listening to these words, I could not help but wonder: where, in that parable, does this priest see himself?

From the day after the conclave ended—when Francis went back to his hotel and personally checked out, paid his bill, and picked up his suitcase—the new Pope has surprised people with his actions. During Holy Week, he went to a juvenile prison and washed the feet of inmates, including two girls and two Muslims. One morning, he reportedly made a sandwich for the Swiss Guard who had stood sentinel outside his room all night. He invited 200 homeless people for dinner in the Vatican gardens.

Francis has also said some things that, from a Pope’s mouth, seem extraordinary simply because they are so down to earth—like his choice to end one homily with the untraditional exhortation “Have a good lunch!” Yet the first time this Pope’s words, rather than his actions, made significant headlines was in connection with his comments about the “gay lobby.”

As noted, the phrase first gained currency before Francis came on the scene, but it returned to public discussion just as he got serious about what may be a hallmark of his papacy: a cleanup of Vatican corruption. The scope of his concern about abuse of power seems total. He is reforming everything from the Vatican bank’s bookkeeping to the contents of the papal wardrobe.


Vox Wrote:
While trashing Tradition, traditionalists, anyone who believes what the Church teaches, people who preach the Gospel as we're commanded to do (especially to Jews, apparently), etc.

For a long time, gay priests have made for convenient scapegoats and handy pawns in Church power games. All of them, whether actively or passively, have helped create these roles for themselves, and they can hardly imagine a different reality—unless they were to emerge from the closet and get thrown out of the priesthood. One monk told me, “A lot of us will not condemn. But not speak out. We’re in a system that controls us. The longer you’re in it, the more it controls, the more you assume the clerical position.” They keep hope small, or snuff it entirely. They believe that nothing and no one could make the Church safe for them. Might this change? “Not in my lifetime,” they all say.

Yet, before he became Francis, Jorge Bergoglio was a Jesuit. As National Catholic Reporter’s John Allen, the dean of the American Vatican-watchers, told me, “There’s a kind of Catholic version of ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ that the Jesuits would be particularly noted for. There are guys in the Jesuit world that everybody knows are gay, but they don’t go around making a big deal out of it.” While Pope Benedict’s Vatican attempted to make sure gays knew they were unwelcome in the priesthood, the Jesuits developed a reputation for tolerating and even protecting their gay brethren.

In the collegial Jesuit spirit, Francis appointed eight cardinals to serve as his core advisers on significant issues, and in the coming years, this group may have as much influence on the situation of gays in the priesthood as Francis himself. When I asked an archbishop how he thinks the cardinals’ conversation about their gay brothers will go, he answered with reference not to the Holy Spirit but to the god of Fortune. “Right now the surest thing I can say is that there’s change in the air,” he said. “If you could say what will happen, you could say who’d win the lottery.”

The next time I heard mention of a lottery was a few days later, at dinner with a gay monk who told me that he had recently fallen in love for the first time, with a man. “Am I a clerical hypocrite? I guess in one way I am,” he said, in the middle of a long and emotional narrative, before bringing the conversation to bedrock reality. “But I’m over 60. I have nothing financially. I can’t leave.” And then he said, “If I won the Powerball lotto, I would leave.”


Vox Wrote:He wouldn't be 60 years old with nowhere to go if he hadn't entered the religious life in the first place. He likely had entered the monastery around 1975; he has no excuse -- no "I felt shoved into the seminary because I couldn't marry, couldn't come out and be who I am, and couldn't remain a bachelor without people assuming." The Stonewall riots happened in 1969.


Note: An alteration was made in the passage about Marco Politi’s La Confessione, republished as Io, Prete Gay, in order to give a more accurate description of the book.



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This was a really inforitive artical Vox. I really had no idea how wide and how deep the issue is.
I guess I have been willfully ignorant out of not wanting to believe that my Church had gotton this ill.
I really feel sorry for how traped some of these gay clergy feel and I feel angery at the ones that abuse and lord thrir power over others. Theres got to be somthing we can do to change this unhealthy attatuide towards to same sex attracted men. I know I willing to listen a learn from you. And what did that fellow mean by liking other hall ways forgive my nievatay I really didnt get that?

I always wondered weather Benedict was in love with Georg Gänswein if its is true I feel sorry for Benedict
imaging the imotional and psycological conflict that must cause him.

I think we as a cuture has to change our atitudes to gays in geneal, we to to make them feel more exs
cepted and welcome to be who they are without shaming them and making them feel like they have to hide themselfs from the world. Our like you say the become priests because so that the can hide who the are, but look how sick our Church has become. It's sad. 
 
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Sometimes it seems like God allows the worst of the worst to take authority in the Church just to prove that our Faith is about Him, not the clerics, buildings, or institutions. Parts of this article were just disturbing, though. This really affirms to me the great need to reevaluate the way homosexuality is dealt with in the Church.  Can we please move past a refusal to discuss this issue because it's "icky" or a pattern of quick, dismissive statements thrown at legitimate questions and topics of discussion because they are difficult to talk about or something other than black and white?  No, I don't believe that homosexual sex becomes okay when it's "in the context of a loving relationship" (something some Christians push), but I sure do believe that's a lot better than random quickies and hookups with strangers from the street! And sadly, people who find themselves in the former situation are often dismissed and shunned, while people in the latter are given offices in Rome!
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(12-12-2015, 01:14 PM)2HeartsServant Wrote: Sometimes it seems like God allows the worst of the worst to take authority in the Church just to prove that our Faith is about Him, not the clerics, buildings, or institutions. Parts of this article were just disturbing, though. This really affirms to me the great need to reevaluate the way homosexuality is dealt with in the Church.  Can we please move past a refusal to discuss this issue because it's "icky" or a pattern of quick, dismissive statements thrown at legitimate questions and topics of discussion because they are difficult to talk about or something other than black and white?  No, I don't believe that homosexual sex becomes okay when it's "in the context of a loving relationship" (something some Christians push), but I sure do believe that's a lot better than random quickies and hookups with strangers from the street! And sadly, people who find themselves in the former situation are often dismissed and shunned, while people in the latter are given offices in Rome!

There's definitely a double standard at work.  The human element of the Church is sick as a dog from the top down.  Our Faith absolutely cannot be about anything but God and God alone.

Sometimes it's best to step back a bit and retreat if we have to. I've had to in order to survive. If I obsessed over all the intrigues in the Vatican or even in the local parish I'd have no time to pray. We cannot and should not put anyone on a pedestal be they so called " elders", " holy fathers", priests, bishops, monks or popes. All of us are living as fallen men in a fallen and corrupted world.

The guy in a cassock struggling with SSA is not all that different than the alcoholic priest or a layman like me struggling with some sort of drug addiction. I kind of like that image of the Church as a field hospital for sick souls.
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(12-12-2015, 01:52 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote:
(12-12-2015, 01:14 PM)2HeartsServant Wrote: Sometimes it seems like God allows the worst of the worst to take authority in the Church just to prove that our Faith is about Him, not the clerics, buildings, or institutions. Parts of this article were just disturbing, though. This really affirms to me the great need to reevaluate the way homosexuality is dealt with in the Church.  Can we please move past a refusal to discuss this issue because it's "icky" or a pattern of quick, dismissive statements thrown at legitimate questions and topics of discussion because they are difficult to talk about or something other than black and white?  No, I don't believe that homosexual sex becomes okay when it's "in the context of a loving relationship" (something some Christians push), but I sure do believe that's a lot better than random quickies and hookups with strangers from the street! And sadly, people who find themselves in the former situation are often dismissed and shunned, while people in the latter are given offices in Rome!

There's definitely a double standard at work.  The human element of the Church is sick as a dog from the top down.  Our Faith absolutely cannot be about anything but God and God alone.

Sometimes it's best to step back a bit and retreat if we have to. I've had to in order to survive. If I obsessed over all the intrigues in the Vatican or even in the local parish I'd have no time to pray. We cannot and should not put anyone on a pedestal be they so called " elders", " holy fathers", priests, bishops, monks or popes. All of us are living as fallen men in a fallen and corrupted world.

The guy in a cassock struggling with SSA is not all that different than the alcoholic priest or a layman like me struggling with some sort of drug addiction. I kind of like that image of the Church as a field hospital for sick souls.

That, indeed, is the image used throughout the Eastern churches, with Christ as the attending Physician and saints, priests, elders, etc. as our resident/trainee physicians and nurses.  None of the latter should be put upon pedestals but sometimes we need to pay attention to, to heed their advice and ministrations. :)
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It's one of those things were in the old days many joined because homosexuality wasn't acceptable by anyone. The end makes a point... Many of these men became priests or monks and then years later couldn't leave because they had nothing to leave to. Many people who have no supernatural faith and they stay because they're older and have no money or possessions of their own. It's a mess.

It's just strange that we still see these people going into the seminaries when homosexuality has become accepted by society at large.
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#7
This article is sickening, and part because it seems to be just lengthy, pretentious gossip.

Not sure what the users above means by “we as a culture” need to change. The culture is so thoroughly sympathetic to gays that to change would be to actually move in a more conservative direction.

Frankly, homosexuals shouldn't even be ordained. They shouldn't be accepted in seminaries. Not sure what 20 to 60 (by the way, what a rough estimate is this?? the standard deviation must be bigger than the actual percentage!) are even doing in the Vatican. They should all be expelled (and no, guys with “stable relations” with others guys shouldn't be an exception).

Frankly, though I'm thoroughly Western at these times I think married clergy would actually be a breath of fresh air. I'd much rather my priest to have a sweet wife than be this bitter homosexual.

If homosexuals want to consecrate themselves they should find a solid monastery with very strict rules or join a third order. Once I've heard of an Augustinian order solely for unchaste women, very strict and whatnot. Maybe something like that could be created for homosexuals, since this seems to be the problem today, for those who wanted to consecrate themselves. But I doubt, our age is one that doesn't trust in sanctity, so we either treat the things in therapeutic terms or try to change everything to accommodate the sin.

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(12-12-2015, 03:47 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: This article is sickening, and part because it seems to be just lengthy, pretentious gossip.

Not sure what the users above means by “we as a culture” need to change. The culture is so thoroughly sympathetic to gays that to change would be to actually move in a more conservative direction.

Frankly, homosexuals shouldn't even be ordained. They shouldn't be accepted in seminaries. Not sure what 20 to 60 (by the way, what a rough estimate is this?? the standard deviation must be bigger than the actual percentage!) are even doing in the Vatican. They should all be expelled (and no, guys with “stable relations” with others guys shouldn't be an exception).

Frankly, though I'm thoroughly Western at these times I think married clergy would actually be a breath of fresh air. I'd much rather my priest to have a sweet wife than be this bitter homosexual.

If homosexuals want to consecrate themselves they should find a solid monastery with very strict rules or join a third order. Once I've heard of an Augustinian order solely for unchaste women, very strict and whatnot. Maybe something like that could be created for homosexuals, since this seems to be the problem today, for those who wanted to consecrate themselves. But I doubt, our age is one that doesn't trust in sanctity, so we either treat the things in therapeutic terms or try to change everything to accommodate the sin.

yoa one sicka man :asianbow:
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(12-12-2015, 05:57 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote:
(12-12-2015, 03:47 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: This article is sickening, and part because it seems to be just lengthy, pretentious gossip.

Not sure what the users above means by “we as a culture” need to change. The culture is so thoroughly sympathetic to gays that to change would be to actually move in a more conservative direction.

Frankly, homosexuals shouldn't even be ordained. They shouldn't be accepted in seminaries. Not sure what 20 to 60 (by the way, what a rough estimate is this?? the standard deviation must be bigger than the actual percentage!) are even doing in the Vatican. They should all be expelled (and no, guys with “stable relations” with others guys shouldn't be an exception).

Frankly, though I'm thoroughly Western at these times I think married clergy would actually be a breath of fresh air. I'd much rather my priest to have a sweet wife than be this bitter homosexual.

If homosexuals want to consecrate themselves they should find a solid monastery with very strict rules or join a third order. Once I've heard of an Augustinian order solely for unchaste women, very strict and whatnot. Maybe something like that could be created for homosexuals, since this seems to be the problem today, for those who wanted to consecrate themselves. But I doubt, our age is one that doesn't trust in sanctity, so we either treat the things in therapeutic terms or try to change everything to accommodate the sin.

yoa one sicka man :asianbow:

I know. Pope Francis informed me of that  :grin:
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(12-12-2015, 06:17 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote:
(12-12-2015, 05:57 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote:
(12-12-2015, 03:47 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: This article is sickening, and part because it seems to be just lengthy, pretentious gossip.

Not sure what the users above means by “we as a culture” need to change. The culture is so thoroughly sympathetic to gays that to change would be to actually move in a more conservative direction.

Frankly, homosexuals shouldn't even be ordained. They shouldn't be accepted in seminaries. Not sure what 20 to 60 (by the way, what a rough estimate is this?? the standard deviation must be bigger than the actual percentage!) are even doing in the Vatican. They should all be expelled (and no, guys with “stable relations” with others guys shouldn't be an exception).

Frankly, though I'm thoroughly Western at these times I think married clergy would actually be a breath of fresh air. I'd much rather my priest to have a sweet wife than be this bitter homosexual.

If homosexuals want to consecrate themselves they should find a solid monastery with very strict rules or join a third order. Once I've heard of an Augustinian order solely for unchaste women, very strict and whatnot. Maybe something like that could be created for homosexuals, since this seems to be the problem today, for those who wanted to consecrate themselves. But I doubt, our age is one that doesn't trust in sanctity, so we either treat the things in therapeutic terms or try to change everything to accommodate the sin.

yoa one sicka man :asianbow:

I know. Pope Francis informed me of that  :grin:

I thinka popa francis isa sika man 2 :LOL:
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