sin and Novus Ordo?
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(12-25-2015, 10:22 AM)Renatus Frater Wrote: Firstly, don't believe what every pious sounding internet trad says--even on this forum. Chances are they don't know what they're talking about.

One out of many examples is the confusion in your post about sinning when at a irreverent Mass. Its a sin for the priest and people who participate in the abuse, if they knowingly depart from the rubrics. It might be a sin if you consent to the abuse, but St. Thomas says that, at least, one deprives oneself from the graces of the sacrament if one knowingly consents to the abuses. Below there's a link explaining this according to St. Thomas.

http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/201...s.html?m=1

But you should ask your spiritual director, as he might explain things in the details you require. Meanwhile, I believe your first conviction was right and not sinful at all. Many of the home aloners are some sort of crypto-gnostics (I cannot elaborate this at the moment), and I wouldn't say all are in sin, but they are treading on dangerous ground.

Yes I was trying to trust my priest who never told me to stay home.. But there's a lot of fear when you're told you're in sin. I don't consent to any irreverence though, maybe in the past I didn't really care but now that I have been to a very reverent Mass - I try to do reparation if I see something less reverent. Its not liturgical abuse as far as NO goes... Just the popular things that happen everywhere but they bother me because they make the Mass casual and they were never intended to be norms.

What confused me was the statement that even being reverent there is a sin! (Because its like supporting). But what an act of reverence supports is the intinsic merits of the Mass and the objective spiritual reality. No one would look.and say "she's being reverent, she must agree when people talk in the church!". I thought, quite the opposite? I don't know if I'm right... I'll ask my priest.

Anyway if i am less reverent that would be like consent. I always thought Jesus wants us to love Him and if we have to go to a place where He is often ignored, but we love Him there, that would be a consolation to Him. I'd choose TLM first but if you go to NO and receive Jesus to repair for any sacrilige and do your thanksgiving while many are talking - you are clearly.not supporting it all, inwardly or outwardly, and I've always believed this honours Him. One of the most beautiful times I had with Jesus after Communion was in one of those situations. He does give grace if you try to love Him and oppose anything irreverent .. That's why that specific statement was so confusing.

Maybe acting reverently at an invalid clown Mass would be wrong and like supporting it. But any reverence at NO is given towards Jesus being there not towards the actions of people. I'll ask my priest about this too...
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sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 02:35 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by DeoDuce - 12-25-2015, 03:47 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Share Love - 12-25-2015, 03:50 AM
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Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by formerbuddhist - 12-25-2015, 09:28 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 10:22 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by GangGreen - 12-25-2015, 10:24 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:28 AM
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Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-25-2015, 05:28 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 05:35 PM
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