sin and Novus Ordo?
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(12-25-2015, 01:13 PM)little_flower10 Wrote: Yes I do believe that the NO is valid and it's a Mass.

Then you also must believe that a Black Mass where a validly ordained priest confects the Body and Blood of Christ for the sole purpose of desecrating it is also valid and a Mass.

All the elements of a "valid" Mass are there. No one would deny that the sacrament is not confected.

Now, understand I write that not in order to be polemical.

I merely point out we cannot conflate "valid" and "good". Nor can we equate "valid" with "pleasing to God", and most certainly not "valid" and thus "obligatory".

There are far greater nuances to be had here.

If we want to discuss the essential aspect of the Mass as the Sacrifice of Calvary, and thus when "valid" it is necessarily metaphysically and morally good, and pleasing to God, then let's do that.

Let us not though get this essential goodness mixed up with the accidental aspects of a Mass, otherwise we would legalistically end saying that if the only Mass on Sunday you could attend was a Black Mass, you would be obliged.

Distinction. Nuance. Important.
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sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 02:35 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by DeoDuce - 12-25-2015, 03:47 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Share Love - 12-25-2015, 03:50 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Bourbon Apocalypse - 12-25-2015, 03:50 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Leonhard - 12-25-2015, 04:08 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Poche - 12-25-2015, 04:58 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by CaptCrunch73 - 12-25-2015, 06:23 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by formerbuddhist - 12-25-2015, 09:28 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 10:22 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by GangGreen - 12-25-2015, 10:24 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:28 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by GangGreen - 12-25-2015, 10:39 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:43 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:47 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:59 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by formerbuddhist - 12-25-2015, 12:06 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 01:03 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 01:13 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 01:26 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by ermy_law - 12-25-2015, 01:44 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-25-2015, 05:28 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 05:35 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 06:19 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-27-2015, 12:05 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-27-2015, 12:32 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-27-2015, 04:17 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-28-2015, 12:55 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Qoheleth - 12-28-2015, 02:00 PM
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