sin and Novus Ordo?
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(12-25-2015, 05:35 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: Looks like the very possibility of a black mass is doubtful when the ordained apostate tries to consecrate without proper intention. So, not sure who this no one is who wouldn't deny the validity of a Black Mass.

Except, that's not the Catholic teaching as regards the minister's intention in confecting the Sacraments.

A validly ordained priest who intends to confect the sacrament, validly confects the sacrament. If this is not true we more or less quickly fall into Donatism.

Consult any high-school level textbook on the Sacraments, or one such summary here.

Or trust St. Robert Bellarmine, who in his De sacramentis in genere (Bk. 1 c. 27 no. 13), says that the intention to "do what the Church does" signifies action not the end. That is, the intention regards the performance of a certain action, not the accomplishment of the purpose for which the Church wishes the action done. This interpretation is also adopted by the Holy Office (Dec 18, 1872) in which they affirm that even Protestants that deny that Baptism causes any spiritual effect still validly Baptize.

The priest who intends the consecrate for evil purposes, still validly consecrates, because the evil purposes concern the end, not the action of consecration.
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sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 02:35 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by DeoDuce - 12-25-2015, 03:47 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Share Love - 12-25-2015, 03:50 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Bourbon Apocalypse - 12-25-2015, 03:50 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Leonhard - 12-25-2015, 04:08 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Poche - 12-25-2015, 04:58 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by CaptCrunch73 - 12-25-2015, 06:23 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by formerbuddhist - 12-25-2015, 09:28 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 10:22 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by GangGreen - 12-25-2015, 10:24 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:28 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by GangGreen - 12-25-2015, 10:39 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:43 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:47 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 10:59 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by formerbuddhist - 12-25-2015, 12:06 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 01:03 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 01:13 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 01:26 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by ermy_law - 12-25-2015, 01:44 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-25-2015, 05:28 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Renatus Frater - 12-25-2015, 05:35 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-25-2015, 06:19 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-27-2015, 12:05 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-27-2015, 12:32 AM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by little_flower10 - 12-27-2015, 04:17 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by MagisterMusicae - 12-28-2015, 12:55 PM
Re: sin and Novus Ordo? - by Qoheleth - 12-28-2015, 02:00 PM
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