Catholics asked to thank God for the insights of the Reformation
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http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/201...formation/

Quote:Joint prayer with Lutherans prepared in advance of the 500th anniversary of the Ninety-Five Theses

The Catholic and Lutheran Churches have issued a joint prayer thanking God for the “insights” received through the Reformation.

The service has been devised by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and the Lutheran World Federation in advance of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation next year.

The first jointly developed liturgical order is based on the report “From Conflict to Communion: Lutheran-Catholic Common Commemoration of the Reformation in 2017”.

The Common Prayer, which can be adapted to suit local customs and preferences, is led by two presiders, one Catholic and one Lutheran, with two readers, again one Catholic and one Lutheran. Other ecumenical readers and leaders of intercessory prayer can take part in the service.

One prayer reads: “Thanks be to you O God for the many guiding theological and spiritual insights that we have all received through the Reformation. Thanks be to you for the good transformations and reforms that were set in motion by the Reformation or by struggling with its challenges. Thanks be to you for the proclamation of the gospel that occurred during the Reformation and that since then has strengthened countless people to live lives of faith in Jesus Christ. Amen.”

The commemoration in 2017 brings joy and gratitude, the Common Prayer says, and must “also allow room for both Lutherans and Catholics to experience the pain over failures and trespasses, guilt and sin in the persons and events that are being remembered”.

The service has readings from the report From Conflict to Communion, including: “In the 16th century, Catholics and Lutherans frequently not only misunderstood but also exaggerated and caricatured their opponents in order to make them look ridiculous. They repeatedly violated the eighth commandment, which prohibits bearing false witness against one’s neighbour.”

One reading says: “Lutherans and Catholics often focused on what separated them from each other rather than looking for what united them. They accepted that the Gospel was mixed with the political and economic interests of those in power. Their failures resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Families were torn apart, people imprisoned and tortured, wars fought and religion and faith misused. Human beings suffered and the credibility of the Gospel was undermined with consequences that still impact us today. We deeply regret the evil things that Catholics and Lutherans have mutually done to each other.”

The service includes five commitments for Catholics and Lutherans together. “Catholics and Lutherans should always begin from the perspective of unity and not from the point of view of division in order to strengthen what is held in common even though the differences are more easily seen and experienced.” They “must let themselves continuously be transformed by the encounter with the other and by the mutual witness of faith” and should “commit themselves to seek visible unity, to elaborate together what this means in concrete steps, and to strive repeatedly toward this goal”. And they “should jointly rediscover the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ for our time” and “witness together to the mercy of God in proclamation and service to the world”.

Rorate Caeli, the traditionalist site, criticised the Common Prayer, saying it was the “first time that the drive for Catholic-Lutheran union and the glorification of the Reformation has taken a quasi-liturgical shape”.


No thanks.
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The Church needed to be reformed. That is why we had the Council of Trent.
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I thank God for the counter-reformation, and I see how God used the reformation to purify and expand the Church, but I don't think it was a good thing. I think it was a case of God bringing about some good in spite of evil, not because of it.
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(01-16-2016, 06:39 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: I thank God for the counter-reformation, and I see how God used the reformation to purify and expand the Church, but I don't think it was a good thing. I think it was a case of God bringing about some good in spite of evil, not because of it.

I don't think it was good." I just think that the church needed to be reformed. That is why we had the Council of Trent.
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(01-16-2016, 06:00 AM)Poche Wrote: The Church needed to be reformed. That is why we had the Council of Trent.

Reformed, yes. My issue is with Luther and others pushing past genuine reform into schism.
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The original article could almost be a joke of some sort. I'm all for having friendships on a personal level with non Catholics, but agree with Rorate that it's troubling when we start having quasi liturgical services with non Catholics and talking about a unity on matters of doctrine that simply do not exist.

I guess I'm old school, but I would never attend this sort of service, nor would I so much as doff my hat when passing a Lutheran Church since our Lord is not sacramentally present there.

I admit I'm sympathetic to Luther on some levels, but he was still not a man generally to be celebrated, nor is the church that he perhaps unintentionally founded. 

That Catholics and Lutherans are no longer killing each other is a good thing, but it's too far for the Roman Catholic Church to be celebrating 500 years of schism and heresy.
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As an event, the Reformation provides me with some 'insights' I will try always to remember:

1. Remember that popes and churchmen of all sorts are fallible sinners like me. Remember that scandalous priestly behaviour can give the devil a weapon with which to lead astray untold thousands  into heresy.

2. Remember that we are all simply sinners, and that we should not be surprised or scandalized at the fact, as Luther was, but simply go to confession over, and over, and over as many times as needed, and not try to change the doctrine of Christ to make me seem to be a better person.

3. Observe how all groups, institutions, movements, once cut off from the sacraments of the Church, weaken, shrivel, and proceed to death. Observe this in relation to the Church teaching on contraception.

4. I thank God that I had all of these insights when I converted from the Anglican to the Catholic Church.
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If any part of the Church celebrates this act of evil, then it ceases to be the Church.

Good grief I fear that VII really did setup a false-church.  Problem is this danger could lead some to start looking to the moron "p0pe" Michael for answers.



Someone said that we would see if the Vatican is part of the Church or not, when they decided to celebrate the apostasy of the Lutherans, over the Marian apparition at Fatima.
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Let's not forget to thank God for the many guiding theological insights we've gleaned from the Arian Enlightenment.  Whether you celebrate the tenets of Arianism or the teachings of Nicaea I, we are really all thanking God for the same thing, because it all stems from the Arian Schism--er, Enlightenment.
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The only appropriate response fir this would be some strong expletive.

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