What are the chances that this is true?
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I tend to take stuff from Rorate Caeli with a grain of salt.  I find they are sometimes alarmist and blow things out of proportion.  They do, however, continue to be a good source of information from time to time.  I am curious about people's thoughts on this post.  I find it deeply troubling and more than a little disturbing.

What are the chances it is true? I don't know.  Has anyone found anything that would support this assessment as the reality of what the Holy Father intends to do?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/03...lf-in.html

Socci: The Pope Who Wants to Put Himself in God's Place

                                                                                                                              Antonio Socci
                                                                                                                              Libero
                                                                                                                              March 20th 2016

Will the post-synodal apostolic exhortation just signed by Pope Bergoglio - but not yet made public - represent a revolution for the Church? Will a “new church” be founded on the word of progressive Catholics like Pope Bergoglio and Walter Kasper instead of on the Good News of Christ?

Indeed, Cardinal Kasper, Joseph Ratzinger’s great opponent, has announced a genuine “revolution”.

Bergoglio used Kasper in February 2014 at the consistory to launch the sensational news of communion for the divorced and remarried. It’s not that Bergoglio cares about the divorced who want to receive communion but they have been used as a battering ram to shake Catholic doctrine on the sacraments.

Last Monday in a meeting in Lucca and on the eve of the Pope’s signature of the exhortation, Kasper couldn’t contain himself. “It will be the first step in a reform that will turn the page in Church history after 1700 years.”

The exhortation will be made public in the middle of April but Kasper – who knows the content – is already claiming victory. “The document will make its mark,” he said, “as the biggest revolution in the Church for 1500 years.”

Vatican Insider also ran headlines on the document quoting Kasper as saying: “It will be revolutionary”.

Indeed, Bergoglio who – with friends - loves to provoke, revealed to Scalfari in Repubblica on 24th December: “I’m a revolutionary.” (Repubblica is a left leaning Italian daily newspaper and Scalfari is its editor in chief)

THE BOILED FROG

If Bergoglio’s plan to overturn the Catholic Church is evident, it is also true that he knows he has to move shrewdly and with calculated timing so as not to come out of the matter in question as a ‘heretic pope’. Canon law would however dictate exactly that and with all that would follow.

Bergoglio in fact loves to portray himself thus: “I can say I am rather shrewd, I know how to get what I want.” And this explains what we read yesterday in yet another Repubblica preview by Alberto Melloni.

From his article we learn – which was predictable – that in the exhortation there won’t be a formal change to doctrine because the Pope can in no way say explicitly that the Gospel and the two-thousand-year-old Magisterium of the Church on the indissolubility of marriage and access to the Eucharist should be binned. He would delegitimize himself.

So what does the exhortation say according to Melloni? Everything will be legitimized under the form of the – apparently innocuous - pastoral care and the call for a ‘fuller participation’ of the divorced and remarried within the life of the Church.

Melloni begins with the (fantastical) assumption that ‘almost all parish priests’ already give communion to the divorced and remarried and so it would ‘only’ be  a legitimizing of a practise already in use but without giving it a theological base. In ‘mercy’ of course.

In reality with this practise a non Catholic theology of the Eucharist, marriage and confession  would be legitimized without saying so explicitly and so without putting heretical claims in black and white.

According to Melloni, Bergoglio would act, “calling bishops to take responsibility and effectively transmitting powers to them.”

He has done it with Motu Proprio ‘nullifying marriage’. Maybe he will also do it giving bishops the power to legitimize access to the Eucharist to some divorced and remarried couples without the need to live “as brother and sister” which is what the Church has asked for until now.

In this way Pope Bergoglio would delegate to the bishops the authorization (without in reality having the power to do so) of a new sacramental practise. This would – tacitly - legitimize and even topple into second (or third) marriages and shake the very foundations of the Eucharist and confession.

And mostly it would dispense of the need to observe the commandments, a power that no one on earth has.

APOSTASY

It would be difficult to imagine that the Church would accept this. Firstly because it is not at all true that today it is normal for the divorced and remarried to receive communion: everyone knows that Sacred Scripture (therefore the Church) does not allow it unless the couple lives celibately together.

The bishops in the past who have contravened this have committed a grave non compliance (and we know that Cardinal Bergoglio in Buenos Aires was one of these).

Secondly, it is not possible to separate doctrine and practise because if a practise is legitimized that is contrary to Catholic thinking - such as in the administering of the sacraments - then automatically one affirms a heterodox doctrine.

It is true that strange theories concerning the sacraments have already been explicitly formulated by Bergoglio without being formalized in the Magisterium.

In November, talking with Lutherans in Rome, he sustained that the Protestant and the Catholic Eucharist are divided only by different ‘interpretations’ adding however that “life is greater than explanations and interpretations” (In this way he downgraded Catholic dogma to mere ‘opinion’  and equated it with the Protestant.)

On February 11, speaking to the Roman clergy, Bergoglio came out with a singularly strange idea regarding the sacrament of confession in which even if one doesn’t confess certain sins, the penitent should anyway be absolved because ‘he has spoken simply with the gesture of coming” to confession.

Obviously Church doctrine claims the exact opposite

But Bergoglio went even further and claimed that the confessor shouldn’t demand of the penitent the intention of sinning no more (as the church calls for) because again – according to him – the gesture of going to confession is enough.

Bergoglio at the end added an example that makes one think about the divorced and remarried. “And if a person says ‘I can’t promise this’ because it is an irreversible situation, there is a moral principle: ‘ad impossibilia nemo tenetur’ or ‘no one is expected to do the impossible.’

Perhaps this is the ‘new‘ Bergoglio brand of confession and absolution for the divorced and remarried, but how can one think that these are valid sacraments?

Bergoglio’s moral theory in which ‘ad impossibilia nemo tenetur’ has nothing Catholic about it and has been explicitly condemned by the Council of Trent: “If anyone says that the commandments of God are, even for one that is justified and constituted in grace, impossible to observe, let him be anathema.”

THE VICTORY OF KASPER OVER THE CHURCH

If what has been postulated by Melloni is in fact what Bergoglio has signed on for, it would be exactly what Cardinal Kasper proposed in his report to the consistory in February 2014.

Only that in the consistory, Kapser’s line, which was given full and enthusiastic support by Bergoglio, was vetoed by 75 percent of the cardinals. It was then vetoed again in the two synods of 2014 and 2015.

The Pope, in defiance of the synod’s much praised (so said) synodality, put his signature to Kasper’s postulations even though they had been rejected three times by the cardinals and bishops. (Apart also from the fact that they are rejected by the entire Magisterium and especially Sacred Scripture.)

Should a document such as this come out, dramatic scenarios will open up for the Church.

At the same time, an interview in book form has just been published in Spain in which Cardinal Gerard Muller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, affirms that it is not possible to give communion to the divorced and remarried ‘because of the divine right which characterises the indissolubility of marriage.’

Erroneously, one believes that the Pope can change the revealed truth of the Church but it is not his to possess; he remains only the servant.

Venerable Pio Brunone Lanteri who although a great defender of the papacy said openly: “One can say that the Holy Father can do anything ‘quodcumque solveris, quodcumque ligaveris etc’, it is true but he can do nothing against the divine constitution of the Church; he is the vicar of Christ, but he is not God, and neither can he destroy the work of God.”

Another great man of the Church, Cardinal Journet, regarding the age old teaching of the Church claimed: “As far as the axiom ‘where the pope is, there is the Church” goes, this holds true when the Pope behaves like a pope and head of the Church; if this is not the case, neither the Church is in him nor he in the Church.”

[Translation: a Rorate reader]
Labels: Kasper's Destruction of the Indissolubility of Marriage, Socci, The Bergoglio Pontificate
Posted by Adfero. at 3/22/2016 04:05:00 PM 
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I suppose we'll know in April, but it seemed quite clear even from 2014 that the pope was of Kasper's mind. Also, we had strong evidence that Synod 2014 was rigged and 2015 Synod was highly stacked by Kasperites, chosen by the pope himself. That even then the Synods would be ignored ? Again, no surprise.

I said it when the MPs were published, the Church will look like an Italian version of the Anglican Church. I'm no prophet, but it doesn't take a genius to kinda see we're going into deep darkness for the next centuries. Its imperative we don't compromise--to follow BXVI's advice : stay firm in the faith. And those who have children have an even graver and more solemn responsibility, because they'll be the future bishops, priests, monks, nuns, fathers and mothers.

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The original article is here

I'd take it with a grain of salt.  This is the guy who just published a book saying that Benedict is still the Pope, after all...
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(03-22-2016, 02:59 PM)dcmaccabees Wrote: The original article is here

I'd take it with a grain of salt.  This is the guy who just published a book saying that Benedict is still the Pope, after all...

What? He's not?  ???
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Pope-emeritus ≠ Pope

IOW, Socci is of the opinion that Francis is an anti-pope.  It's almost like Cardinal Siri all over again...
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Socci is a sensationalist, Melloni is a disaster, the Pope is a mystery, and all these guys, whether it's Spadaro or Burke or Kasper insist that the Pope is going to come down on their side. We really won't know until and unless he actually publishes the thing. He could be dead by April anyway, quite an easy matter if he were to put into practice the sort of 'welcoming committee' attitude towards the migrant invasion that he has been espousing in words. . . . .
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(03-22-2016, 03:15 PM)dcmaccabees Wrote: Pope-emeritus ≠ Pope

IOW, Socci is of the opinion that Francis is an anti-pope.  It's almost like Cardinal Siri all over again...

Yeah, sorry, I forgot the /sarcasm in my post...
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I forgot the /oblivious and the /distracted in mine, so you get a pass lol
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Socci is reliable and rather moderate. I would also disagree on the claims about Rorate. I find them honest and balanced. It's a click-baity title, I'll give you that.
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(03-22-2016, 03:33 PM)maldon Wrote: Socci is a sensationalist, Melloni is a disaster, the Pope is a mystery, and all these guys, whether it's Spadaro or Burke or Kasper insist that the Pope is going to come down on their side. We really won't know until and unless he actually publishes the thing. He could be dead by April anyway, quite an easy matter if he were to put into practice the sort of 'welcoming committee' attitude towards the migrant invasion that he has been espousing in words. . . . .

Is the pope really a mystery, though ? Besides giving the SSPX ordinary jurisdiction for the Year of Mercy his actions are pretty consistent.


(03-22-2016, 02:59 PM)dcmaccabees Wrote: The original article is here

I'd take it with a grain of salt.  This is the guy who just published a book saying that Benedict is still the Pope, after all...

Ad hominem much ?

Let's review the article : it reports words of Kasper and reviews actions of the pope regarding communion. Then it goes on to speculate that the document will be your run of the mill « no doctrine was ever changed, but ».
Now, which parts of the article are absurd ?

See, its much easier to just attack the guy and proceed with the head burying.
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