Michael Voris comes out with his past sins....(Too much info)
#51
I said Ephebophile. Not pedophile. Difference.

Look up the pre-requisites for the PAUSE program.
Knowing what you know now, would you send your sons to it?


St. Michael’s Media
“Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
never let me be parted from you.”
Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circumstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

SPIRITUAL WORK
In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

Application Process:
Phase I:
Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)

Reminds me of the LC pre-requisites.
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#52
(04-25-2016, 01:06 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Truecharity Wrote: At the same time though, those who would entrust their youth to him have a right to know.
(CMTV has the young man PAUSE program)

I don't know about that... It'd be one thing if he were an active homosexual, but he isn't. And he wasn't strictly homosexual before his reversion; he was apparently bisexual. But all that goes to why I think homosexuals should be able to be honest about who they are and what they struggle with. You say parents have a right to know -- but I've heard other trads (the toxic types) go on about how homosexuals should just shut up about it and suffer in silence. I find that repulsive, something we'd wish on no other group with a psychological disorder.

In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio
http://michaelvoris.weebly.com/about-michael-voris.html

He claims, said he reverted to the faith and stopped his sinful ways AFTER his mom died. She passed away in 2004. But he started his "apostolate" in 2003.

All I'm saying, is, parents have a right to know before sending in their sons to Voris.


Btw, Voris would not self-incriminate himself by mentioning males the under the age of 21 . He may be crazy, but not stupid.
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#54
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Not all gay men are ephobophiles either. The issues are entirely separate. You REALLY need to be exposed to people outside of your perfect little circle, otherwise all you will do is drive weak souls away from the faith.
(04-25-2016, 01:23 PM)Truecharity Wrote: I said Ephebophile. Not pedophile. Difference.

Look up the pre-requisites for the PAUSE program.
Knowing what you know now, would you send your sons to it?


St. Michael’s Media
“Lord Jesus, use us to save souls, keep us always faithful to Your commandments, and
never let me be parted from you.”
Saint Michael’s Media is an effort to bring the new evangelization and the lay apostolate to the new media, and to embody the spiritual works of mercy of instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and teaching the Catholic faith. Our work is dedicated to saving our own souls by making ourselves available to Our Blessed Lord to be used to help save other souls. It is in this spirit that we want to share our apostolic work with young men (18-25 years of age, with minimum of a high school degree) still discerning how they might best serve Christ and His Church, as they seek to respond to the call of the Holy Spirit in their lives (emphasis on, but not limited to, former seminarians and those currently discerning).

So, we are embarking on a new endeavor we call PAUSE: a twelve-month program, structured roughly around a traditional academic calendar in which candidates learn deeply about the Catholic Faith by taking a “pause” from their current life circumstances and come to pray/discern/study/work/live with other like-minded individuals who desire to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, and how best to serve the Church.

The program is directed toward young men who feel a deep desire to be at the service of the Church in this current time of Her great need, but who may not have had the opportunity to discern exactly how they can best do this, whether through a religious vocation, a vocation to marriage, or a dedication to the life of lay consecrated celibacy.

SPIRITUAL WORK
In response to the Holy Father’s urgent and repeated calls for a New Evangelization,* and his desire that the tools of modern social communications be employed to their fullest, St. Michael’s Media has dedicated itself to a rigorous defense and promotion of the Holy Catholic Faith using precisely these means. All candidates will be very exposed to this work and undergo training for full incorporation into the daily public work in which we are engaged.

Discerners will live in close contact with laymen who have dedicated themselves to apostolic celibacy at the service of the apostolate and at the service of Holy Mother Church.

Application Process:
Phase I:
Initial online application/Inquiry (basic info/demographics/questionnaire)
Objective Statement / Submission of a simple video (Why am I interested? (100 words; 2 minutes)

Reminds me of the LC pre-requisites.
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#55
(04-25-2016, 01:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote: In 2003 Michael began speaking at various parishes throughout Detroit and from 2004 - 2006 he was regularly hosting programmes broadcast on Michigan Catholic Radio
http://michaelvoris.weebly.com/about-michael-voris.html

He claims, said he reverted to the faith and stopped his sinful ways AFTER his mom died. She passed away in 2004. But he started his "apostolate" in 2003.

So his reversion was a process, like most people's, instead of a "bam, you're 100% Catholic, both professing and in terms of what you've given up sin-wise". I think it's unseemly to question his sincerity, and pretty vicious to throw out all of his work, etc., because he used to engage in sexual acts, including homosexual ones, outside of marriage.  Even if he were to engage in such sins NOW, I wouldn't hold that against any apostolate he might have unless he weren't repentant of them, unless he tried to defend those sins, etc. We're ALL sinners, and if the criteria for having a Catholic apostolate is perfection, there wouldn't be any at all.

(04-25-2016, 01:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote: All I'm saying, is, parents have a right to know before sending in their sons to Voris.

Btw, Voris would not self-incriminate himself by mentioning males the under the age of 21 . He may be crazy, but not stupid.

Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.
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(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.
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(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

So if you raise an 18 year old son, he won't be able to protect himself?
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#59
(04-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Truecharity Wrote: Homosexuality is a sin that can be forgiven. But it is also a mental disorder from which the young must be protected. It's not safe to trust anyone who we know to have any sort of sexual perversion with children or youngsters.

You know that homosexual acts are not the only sexual perversions, right? Do you also believe that those who are habitual masturbators, those who have problem with porn, those who fornicate, those who lust after women in their hearts, those how have had an affair, those who unchastely stare at women, etc etc etc, should never around children? Because if that is the case, you will no longer have teachers in schools at all. 
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(04-25-2016, 05:47 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

So if you raise an 18 year old son, he won't be able to protect himself?
What I would not do is send him to a place where there is a known -repentant- man who engaged in homosexual activities for 15 years. 
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