Michael Voris comes out with his past sins....(Too much info)
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(04-25-2016, 05:53 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:47 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

So if you raise an 18 year old son, he won't be able to protect himself?
What I would not do is send him to a place where there is a known -repentant- man who engaged in homosexual activities for 15 years.
Why? Is Voris, a faithful and celibate Catholic, gonna somehow convert your son, who is a full grown man, to homosexuality? Do you really believe this nonsense?
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(04-25-2016, 05:55 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:53 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:47 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

So if you raise an 18 year old son, he won't be able to protect himself?
What I would not do is send him to a place where there is a known -repentant- man who engaged in homosexual activities for 15 years.
Why? Is Voris, a faithful and celibate Catholic, gonna somehow convert your son, who is a full grown man, to homosexuality? Do you really believe this nonsense?
I really don't want to find out. But as you can see, seminary age is 16-27 generally speaking. That is the age of "when things" happen. If I can help it, I would not send my kid over to CMTV for the PAUSE program. 
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#64
(04-25-2016, 06:00 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:55 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:53 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:47 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

So if you raise an 18 year old son, he won't be able to protect himself?
What I would not do is send him to a place where there is a known -repentant- man who engaged in homosexual activities for 15 years.
Why? Is Voris, a faithful and celibate Catholic, gonna somehow convert your son, who is a full grown man, to homosexuality? Do you really believe this nonsense?
I really don't want to find out. But as you can see, seminary age is 16-27 generally speaking. That is the age of "when things" happen. If I can help it, I would not send my kid over to CMTV for the PAUSE program.

Would you permit your son to go somewhere where there might be the dangerous presence of a female ?

:P

Really, I think you're overreacting. There are seminaries that are, I bet, worse than Voris' house. And besides, an 18 year old man will hardly simply slippy into sodomy, out of the blue.

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(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

No, a parent's moral involvement with their kids never ends. But what parents have a "right" to know is another matter, and at some point, parents have to realize their children are adults and and stop acting as if it's still their duty (or that they have the authority) to have charge over their lives. When you have a kid you are still raising, you have a duty to protect -- which shouldn't lapse into overprotection, and which protection shouldn't conflate innocence with ignorance (a huge problem I see in some parents in the trad world) -- but when they become adults, your raising of them is over. You're still morally involved with them (we're morally involved, theoretically, with any Catholic insofar as we have duties to teach, admonish the sinner, etc. We are our brothers' keepers.) and you can -- and should -- advise them. But you're not owed information about what they do, and you don't have the authority to plan their lives, choose their vocations, tell them whom to marry, tell them what to do and expect obedience, etc. The duty to obey ends at childhood; the duty to honor and revere never ends.
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(04-25-2016, 05:51 PM)Papist Wrote: You know that homosexual acts are not the only sexual perversions, right? Do you also believe that those who are habitual masturbators, those who have problem with porn, those who fornicate, those who lust after women in their hearts, those how have had an affair, those who unchastely stare at women, etc etc etc, should never around children? Because if that is the case, you will no longer have teachers in schools at all.

You're forgetting that, in spite of the Church's teachings about chastity, there's REALLY only ONE sexual sin: engaging in homosexual acts. Adultery, masturbation, fornication, lust, watching porn to serve lust -- Catholics are supposed to pay lip service to those (cause they're the ones the majority of Catholics might engage in, even if only to stumble once or twice), but save the barbs and nastiness for Catholics suffering from SSA. We all need a dog to kick around. Catholics are no different. Right?
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#67
(04-25-2016, 06:00 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:55 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:53 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:47 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:32 PM)Truecharity Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 03:43 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are adult men; their parents shouldn't have to know anything about such things. They're grown men, and should be able to take care of themselves. And 18 is the age of majority, not 21, so your bringing up his not mentioning "males under the age of 21" makes no sense -- and your intimation that he had sexual dealings with males who haven't reached the age of majority is calumny or detraction.

So once your son reaches 18, you don't care where they go. Great.
Seems your moral involvement with your children stops at the legal age. Good to know.

So if you raise an 18 year old son, he won't be able to protect himself?
What I would not do is send him to a place where there is a known -repentant- man who engaged in homosexual activities for 15 years.
Why? Is Voris, a faithful and celibate Catholic, gonna somehow convert your son, who is a full grown man, to homosexuality? Do you really believe this nonsense?
I really don't want to find out. But as you can see, seminary age is 16-27 generally speaking. That is the age of "when things" happen. If I can help it, I would not send my kid over to CMTV for the PAUSE program.
If you ever do have an 18 year old son, I hope you treat him like a man, and not a child.
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(04-25-2016, 06:06 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: Would you permit your son to go somewhere where there might be the dangerous presence of a female ?

:P

Really, I think you're overreacting. There are seminaries that are, I bet, worse than Voris' house. And besides, an 18 year old man will hardly simply slippy into sodomy, out of the blue.

I don't usually agree with you, but you're spot on here :)
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(04-25-2016, 06:28 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 05:51 PM)Papist Wrote: You know that homosexual acts are not the only sexual perversions, right? Do you also believe that those who are habitual masturbators, those who have problem with porn, those who fornicate, those who lust after women in their hearts, those how have had an affair, those who unchastely stare at women, etc etc etc, should never around children? Because if that is the case, you will no longer have teachers in schools at all.

You're forgetting that, in spite of the Church's teachings about chastity, there's REALLY only ONE sexual sin: engaging in homosexual acts. Adultery, masturbation, fornication, lust, watching porn to serve lust -- Catholics are supposed to pay lip service to those (cause they're the ones the majority of Catholics might engage in, even if only to stumble once or twice), but save the barbs and nastiness for Catholics suffering from SSA. We all need a dog to kick around. Catholics are no different. Right?
I wonder why sodomy in particular is in the same bracket of four sins which cry out to heaven for vengeance:

Sin of Sodom, which concerns homosexual acts.  Yes, it does.  The point is made is that the Sodomites did commit other sins, but God destroyed Sodom because of sodomy, homosexual acts, which are an “abomination” deserving of punishment from God. 
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