Michael Voris comes out with his past sins....(Too much info)
(04-26-2016, 02:13 PM)Papist Wrote:
(04-26-2016, 01:26 PM)GangGreen Wrote: Lot was overruled by the angels, but in any sense, the Church has always considered homosexual acts the main sin of Sodom (not that there weren't others). I think we can also see it in Jude
Jude 7-8 Wrote:In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.

I think the Vulgate translation is closer to fornication and strange flesh.

So we see for sure that they gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion, but we also see that "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house." Even after Lot offered his virgin daughters, they refused. If they were just after rape, they would have quite simply taken his daughters.

But the question arises, is the sexual immorality specifically homosexuality? Is not rape a more serious sin, and if so, does it not make sense that the rape is why cries out to heaven? Homosexuality is a pretty ubiquitous sin, but gang rape is much less common, and much more significant. If it was homosexuality God was seeking to punish, why did he not, at that time, destroy the whole world?

It's possible that part of it is the widespread acceptance of those acts as the norm. Maybe gang rape is part of that as well. However, it's clear from the account that the gang of people turned down two virgin women and instead wanted the men (angels in disguise). What is interesting is that Lot seems more concerned about the rape of his two guests than the rape of his own daughters.

Genesis 19:4-13 Wrote:4 But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house both young and old, all the people together.
5 And they called Lot, and said to him: Where are the men that came in to thee at night? bring them out hither that we may know them:
6 Lot went out to them, and shut the door after him, and said:
7 Do not so, I beseech you, my brethren, do not commit this evil.
8 I have two daughters who as yet have not known man: I will bring them out to you, and abuse you them as it shall please you, so that you do no evil to these men, because they are come in under the shadow of my roof.
9 But they said: Get thee back thither. And again: Thou camest in, said they, as a, stranger, was it to be a judge? therefore we will afflict thee more than them. And they pressed very violently upon Lot: and they were even at the point of breaking open the doors.
10 And behold the men put out their hand, and drew in Lot unto them, and shut the door:
11 And them that were without, they struck with blindness from the least to the greatest, so that they could not find the door.
12 And they said to Lot: Hast thou here any of thine? son in law, or sons, or daughters, all that are thine bring them out of this city:
13 For we will destroy this place, because their cry is grown loud before the Lord, who hath sent us to destroy them.

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Re: Michael Voris comes out with his past sins....(Too much info) - by GangGreen - 04-26-2016, 04:25 PM

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