News: "Pope urges Catholics and Lutherans to recognize past errors"
(11-04-2016, 04:01 PM)SaintSebastian Wrote:
(11-04-2016, 01:14 PM)aquinas138 Wrote: I know that what you are saying seems to be the understanding of the 1983 Code, but it is a nonsensical position. The Catholic Faith is more than the Real Presence, important and central as it is. A Protestant may accept the Real Presence, but does he accept the ordained priesthood? That is, does he believe that a true priest is required to confect the Eucharist? If not, he is a heretic, and he does not have the Catholic Faith. And the questions could be multiplied. If the putative Protestant does believe all these things, then what reason would he have to not become Catholic?
I don't think the code is non-nonsensical per se, it just becomes so when applied to this kind of "Eucharistic hospitality."  It envisioned rather more urgent and exceptional cases.  A mixed marriage itself is communcatio in sacris, but the Eucharist is different because there are two ways to receive the Eucharist in a harmful way: (1) not discerning the Body and Blood of the Lord, which is why a manifestation of a belief in the truth of the sacrament is necessary (note, according to par. 46 of JPII's Ecclesia de Euchastia which is on this topic, belief in "the truth regarding the need of the ministerial priesthood for their validity" is an indispensable part of this) and (2) receiving unworthily, which is why one must be "properly disposed" (this would include being in good faith for a non-Catholic). 

I think the original draft schema for "De Ecclesia" (the one Archbishop Lefebrve worked on and said was completely orthodox) did a better job of justifying giving the sacraments to non-Catholics than the later documents actually promulgated.  It points out that the baptized, if in good faith, are per se capable of receiving the other sacraments fruitfully, but that the Church places more general restrictions to avoid the dangers of those not in good faith approaching, as well as the risk of scandal, associated with more indiscriminate methods (which is why you see in the draft and in the final documents, that as long as there is some good to be had and no danger of these things, it can be ok). The draft quotes and cites Cardinal Gasparri's  canonical treatise on the Eucharist in particular on this point. (Gasparri was appointed by St. Pius X as the architect of the 1917 Code). For whatever reason, this citation was left out of the final documents.

Of course, since the decision to give a non-Catholic the sacrament is so circumstance specific with both objective and subjective elements, the Code has to use more general terms like "properly disposed."  This would be fine for a diligent and competent pastor who puts the well-being of souls as his highest goal, but others could certainly abuse the subjectivity (which is likely why the law previously just said don't do it at all).

Anyway, your point certainly stands that absent some extreme exceptional circumstances, someone who professed a belief in the right things and desired the sacrament should be encouraged to go about the ordinary way (by becoming Catholic)--I don't see why there being a special occasion, like a wedding, would require the ordinary way to be dispensed with.

It is all just destructive twisting to get around very clear orthopraxis.  It is obvious the 1983 Code was trying to nullify and get around this:

Council of Trent, Sess. xiii, Canon 11 (Denz. 893)

If anyone says that faith alone is sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist: let him be anathema. And that so great a Sacrament may not be unworthily received, and therefore unto death and condemnation, this holy Council ordains and declares that sacramental confession must necessarily be made beforehand by those whose conscience is burdened by mortal sin, however contrite they may consider themselves. If anyone moreover teaches the contrary or preaches or obstinately asserts, or even publicly by disputation shall presume to defend the contrary, by that fact itself he is excommunicated.

Canon 731.2

It is forbidden that the Sacraments of the Church be ministered to heretics and schismatics, even if they ask for them and are in good faith, unless beforehand, rejecting their errors, they are reconciled with the Church.

(Pope Benedict XV, Code of Canon Law [1917], Canon 731.2; )

That just could not be left standing.  Every discipline must be laid waste, even at the expense of sacrileging Our Lord's Holy Body and Blood (assuming it is even being consecrated in the new ecumenical mass) because nothing is sacred to Ecumenism and Modernism.  Everything can and must change for the sake of the One-World Ecumenical Interfaith Church with its concomitant intercommunion service.

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