My Soliloquies on the kinds of torments of unbaptized infants.
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(03-17-2017, 02:21 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(03-16-2017, 11:57 PM)Gregory I Wrote: No, it is the opinion of some of the scholastics, the CHURCH teaches unbaptized infants descend to hell to be punished for original sin alone, but that this punishment is unequal to those who die in mortal sin. The CHURCH teaches that they are in the Hell of the damned in a place of guilt and punishment. But it has not yet decided the nature of that punishment. Theologians can disagree.

You might want to read the catechisms of the past however many hundred years. You'll find Limbo in them. Go to any village in Italy and ask an old Nonna woman what she was taught happens to unbaptized babies. She'll tell you what the CHURCH taught her before the Council.

People are not punished with "torments" for original sin alone. Sorry to disappoint you.  Hey, maybe you could call Hillary and get a hold of some little Haitian orphans you can stick pins into. You can even shove their feet into fire and hold 'em there til the flesh falls off. Maybe that'd help you get your ya-yas out or something.

2nd Council of Lyons, Ecumenical:

Quote:The souls of those who die in mortal sin or with original sin only, however, immediately descend to hell, yet to be punished with different punishments. The same most holy Roman Church firmly believes and firmly declares that nevertheless on the day of judgment "all" men will be brought together with their bodies "before the tribunal of Christ" "to render an account" of their own deeds [Rom. 14:10 ]

Anything else?

Oh, here: 

Quote:The doctrine which rejects as a Pelagian fable, that place of the lower regions (which the faithful generally designate by the name of the limbo of children) in which the souls of those departing with the sole guilt of original sin are punished with the punishment of the condemned, exclusive of the punishment of fire, just as if, by this very fact, that these who remove the punishment of fire introduced that middle place and state free of guilt and of punishment between the kingdom of God and eternal damnation, such as that about which the Pelagians idly talk,--false, rash, injurious to Catholic schools.

And here:

Quote:Errors of the Armenians-

Also that the Armenians say and hold that the personal sin of our first parents themselves was so serious that all of their children propagated from their seed up to the passion of Christ have been deservedly condemned for the aforesaid personal sin, and they have been thrust into hell after death, not because they themselves have contracted some original sin from Adam, since they say that children have no original sin at all, neither before the passion of Christ nor after, but that the aforementioned condemnation before the passion of Christ followed them by reason of the gravity of the personal sin which Adam and Eve committed by transgressing the divine precept which had been given to them; but after the passion of our Lord, by which the sin of our first parents was erased, the children who are born from the sons of Adam are not subject to this condemnation, nor are they to be thrust into hell by reason of the aforesaid sin, because Christ erased entirely the sin of our first parents in His passion. -ERROR-


Also the Armenians say that the souls of children who are born from Christian parents after the passion of Christ, if they die before they are baptized, go to a terrestrial Paradise in which Adam was before sin; but the souls of children who are born after the passion of Christ from non-Christian parents and who die without baptism go to the place where the souls of their parents are.
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Re: My Soliloquies on the kinds of torments of unbaptized infants. - by Gregory I - 03-17-2017, 02:44 AM



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