Interesting Holistic Cures/Folk Remedies Website
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argaddini Wrote:The placebo effect is real. It is probably the major player in most “home cures” along with the body simply improving all on its own, allergens going out of season, etc.
But you are not qualified to decide if my success was due to the placebo effect.

Quote:Pharmaceutical drugs are almost always going to be more effective than an herbal remedy because they are either highly concentrated doses of whatever is good in the plant or they are synthetically derived chemicals that are extremely potent.
 
This is not necessarily true. Just as some natural remedies may work for some and not for others, the same is true for pharma drugs. That's why there are all kinds of different drugs to treat the same illness.

Quote:It is utter nonsense that there are no “side effects” to natural remedies. If the remedy is doing anything at all there MUST BE A SIDE EFFECT. It is a basic principle of physiology. If a substance is manipulating a bodily mechanism to effect a certain symptom (reducing allergies in the case of ACV) then whatever mechanism it is manipulating almost certainly will have another effect since everything in the body is connected. Some side effects are milder than others. Usually the more potent the medicinal substance, the more pronounced the side effect. This is why herbal remedies have such mild side effects—they are simply not as potent or concentrated as pharmaceutical medicines.
 
When I am referring to side effects, I mean potentially dangerous side effects. There is a difference between the side effects of of ACV and the side effects of, for instance, Allegra, a popular allergy drug:
 
Colds or flu, coughing, drowsiness, fatigue, fever, headache, indigestion, menstrual problems, nausea, pain including back or ear pain, abdominal pain, agitation, anxiety, back pain, dizziness, dry mouth, headache, heart palpitations, indigestion, insomnia, nausea, nervousness, respiratory tract infection, throat irritation.
I have noticed more and more that the side effects of nearly all pharma drugs can be worse than the illness it's being taken for - sometimes even life-threatening. That's not to say that all natural medicines are worry-free (Lobelia, which is very good for the lungs, has to be taken very carefully), but the harmful side effects are not nearly as prevalent in natural herbs as they are in pharma drugs.
Quote:It is certainly true that many herbal substances are extremely powerful. I see them every day I go to work. Cocaine is an example of a potent herbal substance. But crack is stronger (because of unnatural chemical manipulation)! LSD is extraordinarily potent. So potent that the gas chromatograph that we use cannot detect a typical dosage in the blood stream because it is so minute. We have a highly sensitive machine with special detectors dedicated to LSD detection.
 
But we aren't talking about illegal drugs here. We are talking about natural health remedies.

Quote:There is some evidence that ACV may not be one of those useful, inexpensive, and practical remedies. I demonstrated this above.
 
And there is evidence to the contrary as well. it has proven itself very useful for me - useful, I might add, where doctors failed.
 
Quote: Fish oil may be another story. Olive oil and garlic are certainly good for you! Also, I would like to see the evidence of the prestigious journals saying fish oil is bad for you (and don’t reference something from 1920 like Catholicmilkman).
 
Tell me, what time frames are we allowed to pull information from. Is there a decade cut-off? The 70's? Perhaps the 80's are as far back as we are allowed to go? Tell us your time-frame information comfort zone, please.
 
Quote: The leave it to the quacks to issue blanket statements like ACV will cure "arthritis, prostate problems, multiple sclerosis, and high cholesterol levels." Any substance that could do such a thing would instantly be so coveted that we would hear it constantly on the news.
 
If there was anything like that, the last place it would hit would be the mainstream news (unless Big Pharma was making money off it). You would be more likely to hear it from "quacks" first. Then prestigious medical professionals would emphatically denounce it, until one day some scientist "discovers" its healing properties, and the Pfizer Drug Co. hastens to get a patent on a drug made from it.  
 

Quote:This brings up another interesting point. There is not only a taint of quackery in many of these home remedy types, but also a dose of Gnosticism. They talk about how they have secret potions and remedies that nobody has known about except some obscure traditional apothecary that has carefully preserved the medicine. When you ask for references and experimental data they call you a member of the evil conspiracy! I think the parallels to theological Gnosticism, which talks about Jesus’ secret baby with Mary Magdalene and how it was secretly preserved by secret societies but covered up by the conspiratorial Church, is remarkable.
 
This is really too much. What's so sad about it is the fact that down through the centuries, natural remedies were the only means of healing. Now you can barely talk about it without being labeled a quack or worse. The benefits of of ACV, for example, go as far back as Hippocrates, who used it to treat his patients. Blessed Hildegard von Bingen wrote extensively on the healing properties of herbs. St. Fiacre was skilled in the art of healing herbs.
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