Toilet bidets
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(04-25-2017, 02:47 AM)PrairieMom Wrote:
(04-24-2017, 10:36 AM)Zedta Wrote: The majority of TP is made from renewable sources as in recycled paper. It all comes from wood and there is a whole lot of wood over the world 'going to waste' if you look at it that way.
(04-22-2017, 09:33 PM)Jeeter Wrote: I'm not sure what to think. It would cut down on tp use, but I'm not sure what the increase in water consumption would be, both financially and ecologically. More water use = more pressure on watersheds.

Ah, but you forget all the water that goes into producing that paper, whether recycled or virgin paper.

It's like the cloth diaper debate - people will argue that cloth diapers are less "environmentally friendly" because they consume water, but that's only because you can see the water. Diapers are made from wood pulp and plastic- two of the most water-polluting and water-intensive industries in the world.  But it's hidden - we can't actually see it, so it doesn't enter into our consciousness. The cloth option actually produces less waste in the long run, and potentially uses less water and energy if you do it right, especially if you get multiple kiddos out of a single set (and depending on your fabric choice). It's been estimated that using cloth diapers uses roughly the same amount of water as having that same child potty trained would use i.e. roughly the same amount of water that would be used for flushing.

The bidet argument, I imagine, would be similar. Yeah, it seems like a lot of water because we can see it, but if you consider the amount of water that goes into production (and shipping - more of that pesky oil!), it's probably at least a zero-sum game, and I would theorize that a bidet would use less in the long run. Also, you have to keep in mind that toilet paper is a final-end product for paper - you're not going to be recycling that anymore! Whereas if it was recycled into other forms of paper, it could potentially enter the production stream again. 

Additionally, you need a method of dealing with the increased biomass due to the wood pulp that comes with waste-water management. The bio-mass issue is almost always the larger issue than watershed, because often the water is returned to the same watershed downstream. Where I live, the water that comes out of my tap returns to the same river from whence is came, further downstream naturally. So the watershed issue is relatively negligible vs. disposing of tonnes of bio-mass. A couple of years ago Winnipeg was struggling to find ways to use their bio-mass without resorting to spreading it on fields as fertilizer. There was a tender put out looking for proposals. I don't think they go any! So most of the biomass ends up in landfill, toilet paper and all.

It takes me like half a roll of paper to clean up, and sometimes that's not even enough. Seems like a bidet would be quite helpful and save on paper.
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Messages In This Thread
Toilet bidets - by Mark Williams - 04-21-2017, 03:41 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Jeeter - 04-22-2017, 09:33 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Mark Williams - 04-23-2017, 11:21 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Zedta - 04-24-2017, 10:36 AM
Re: Toilet bidets - by VoxClamantis - 04-24-2017, 10:47 AM
RE: Toilet bidets - by JacafamalaRedux - 03-11-2018, 10:27 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Jeeter - 04-24-2017, 11:55 AM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Mark Williams - 04-24-2017, 04:23 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Etimasia - 04-24-2017, 04:28 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by Mark Williams - 04-24-2017, 04:48 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by PrairieMom - 04-25-2017, 02:47 AM
RE: Toilet bidets - by Qubit - 03-10-2018, 03:13 PM
Re: Toilet bidets - by GangGreen - 04-25-2017, 09:59 AM
RE: Toilet bidets - by Dominicus - 03-10-2018, 03:21 PM
RE: Toilet bidets - by Catherine - 03-10-2018, 05:47 PM
RE: Toilet bidets - by GangGreen - 03-10-2018, 11:53 PM
RE: Toilet bidets - by JacafamalaRedux - 03-10-2018, 06:02 PM
RE: Toilet bidets - by Imperator Caesar Trump - 03-11-2018, 01:58 AM
RE: Toilet bidets - by Dominicus - 03-11-2018, 02:54 AM



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