The Great Bikini Debate
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(08-13-2017, 04:58 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: I am on a family vacation to the beach. I'm not a big beach goer, because honestly it just seems like a waste of time to me. Skin cancer, bacteria (I'm not a germ-a-phobe but the aquatic life pees and poops in it the water), scantily clad women, and I hate sun screening. Needless to say it wasn't my idea. Anyway, one can't help but to see a plethora of women (mothers no less) in bikini's that don't leave much to the imagination. I'm sure most aren't consciously going to the beach with the intention of turning heads, but these skimpy bikini's look a heck of a lot like a strippers uniform. To be honest, I think it would be far less scandalizing to just go nude than to buy some slits of fabric that show 95% and curve in ways that draw attention to certain features. I'm not saying public nudity is the answer, but if comfort and tanlines are really the issue then why even both with a suit at all. Is it just me or does the often trumpeted logic behind wearing a bikini sound fuzzy at best?

Perhaps if we had more nude beaches, the free-spirited folks could just go there and leave the rest us to enjoy a day without being flashed by butt cheeks and cleavage. Just curious what your thoughts are on this subject matter although I know its been discussed millions of times before. I just had to vent....

It is a worthy concern to discuss. I'll ask this because I am not sure despite my recalling it to be so. Did not the Doctor of (moral theology) the Church, St. Alphonsus Liguori teach that any sin against the 6th+9th commandment is automatically mortal?

What I can confidently claim, based on what I've read and gleamed from authoritative sources, is that wearing just a bikini, in public, outside of a single gender facility that requires such little clothing, like a spa is at least grievously sinful in actuality, though not necessarily in intention. And should the woman be woefully ignorant of her obligations to modesty, she may escape the guilt of the sin, but she will still incur temporal punishment from the actual sin which will require penance from her or someone else on earth or time in purgatory. It was Our Lady herself who at Fatima said that many fashions would arise in the 20th century that would greatly offend her son. Additionally these fashions are more revealing than the bear minimum standards for decency in dress put forth by the Popes and the Vatican.

Your nude beach sentiment is shared by me in a sense. I will not say I support the notion but as a for instance, I once saw a very attractive woman in yoga pants, and thought, there is nothing there that I can not see, but I would be less attracted by her figure if the garment did not hide potential inconsistencies in skin tone, stubble, the natural sag of flesh, and other unseemly imperfections. By the grace of God I looked away within a second of seeing her, but it is a sorrowful thing to think that so many women have lost a sense of genuine fashion and adornment while discovering lewd dress that provokes even fine men to behave more like beasts than models of our Lord.

Restrictions are so rarely pleasing for anyone I am sorry to encourage you in your sensibilities, but if I were in your shoes a public beech would not be acceptable for consideration. Perhaps a reflection on the benefits our modern age affords would assuage your spouses frustrations though. You might think on the incredible distance you can travel, all the architectural marvels you can see, the art, the cuisine, the sites, and the secluded shores of ponds, lakes, and rivers, that have no scandalously dressed folk nearby, sun basking in statuary parks with manicured greenery. So many of these delights were not available to mankind in such quantity, quality, or frequency from the dawn of time until not even 100 years ago. What is joys are lost through the indecent behavior of some are certainly more than made up for by the overwhelming opportunities afforded us owing to our modern age.

Farewell friend.
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(08-13-2017, 04:58 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote: I am on a family vacation to the beach. I'm not a big beach goer, because honestly it just seems like a waste of time to me. Skin cancer, bacteria (I'm not a germ-a-phobe but the aquatic life pees and poops in it the water), scantily clad women, and I hate sun screening. Needless to say it wasn't my idea. Anyway, one can't help but to see a plethora of women (mothers no less) in bikini's that don't leave much to the imagination. I'm sure most aren't consciously going to the beach with the intention of turning heads, but these skimpy bikini's look a heck of a lot like a strippers uniform. To be honest, I think it would be far less scandalizing to just go nude than to buy some slits of fabric that show 95% and curve in ways that draw attention to certain features. I'm not saying public nudity is the answer, but if comfort and tanlines are really the issue then why even both with a suit at all. Is it just me or does the often trumpeted logic behind wearing a bikini sound fuzzy at best?

Perhaps if we had more nude beaches, the free-spirited folks could just go there and leave the rest us to enjoy a day without being flashed by butt cheeks and cleavage. Just curious what your thoughts are on this subject matter although I know its been discussed millions of times before. I just had to vent....

I'm a mountain girl myself. We went to the beach this summer, cause hubs wanted to, but I'd take the mountains over the shore any day.
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After a summer where my children took swimming lessons that landed us at the pool in our neighborhood every morning for hours at a time, I can say with absolute conviction that women who wear bikinis are deliberately showing off their bodies.  They know the outfit is revealing (ever notice how they tug at it to adjust and cover just a little more?).  They add to the outfit a "cover up" that defies its name and does little more than add peek-a-boo panels to it.  They often come to the pool perfectly made up and coiffed.  Make no mistake: those moms want to be MILFs and their daughters think its sexy and cute to do it too.  They have no concern for how they appear or what effect it has on others.  Many are on "boy alert" and showing off.  

Frankly, the best thing would be to stay away from the pool and beach altogether.  I wish I could . . .   

As for a nudist portion of the beach or pool . . .   I remember a private pool with just such a zone.  I also remember the boys trying to sneak a peek inside.  I'm not sure it's a good solution.
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#14
I never understood the bikini concept. On the one hand you hear "Don't look at me like a piece of meat!" while simultaneously dressing down into the most revealing eye candy.
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I think I remember that when the first bikini came out, models wouldn't wear it.  They had to hire a prostitute to pose in it.  The things have only gotten skimpier from there.
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Did some checking . . . 

When Réard sought a model to wear his design at his press conference, none of the usual models would wear the suit, so he hired 19 year old nude dancer Micheline Bernardini from the Casino de Paris.[63]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_bikini
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(09-14-2017, 05:29 PM)Fontevrault Wrote: I think I remember that when the first bikini came out, models wouldn't wear it.  They had to hire a prostitute to pose in it.  The things have only gotten skimpier from there.

They have indeed gotten skimpier. We went to VA Beach awhile back and my oldest daughter was horrified by some womyn's "butt floss," as she termed the thong. No doubt she's my kid. :D

Apparently they developed an ISIS inspired bikini.


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Love the ISIS bikini idea!   :P
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(09-14-2017, 01:39 PM)Fontevrault Wrote: After a summer where my children took swimming lessons that landed us at the pool in our neighborhood every morning for hours at a time, I can say with absolute conviction that women who wear bikinis are deliberately showing off their bodies.  They know the outfit is revealing (ever notice how they tug at it to adjust and cover just a little more?).  They add to the outfit a "cover up" that defies its name and does little more than add peek-a-boo panels to it.  They often come to the pool perfectly made up and coiffed.  Make no mistake: those moms want to be MILFs and their daughters think its sexy and cute to do it too.  They have no concern for how they appear or what effect it has on others.  Many are on "boy alert" and showing off.  

Frankly, the best thing would be to stay away from the pool and beach altogether.  I wish I could . . .   

As for a nudist portion of the beach or pool . . .   I remember a private pool with just such a zone.  I also remember the boys trying to sneak a peek inside.  I'm not sure it's a good solution.

Never said it was a "good" solution, but I'd rather contain the problem in its own feces than let them muck up the rest of the shoreline with their ugly egos.

(09-14-2017, 05:02 PM)Jeeter Wrote: I never understood the bikini concept. On the one hand you hear "Don't look at me like a piece of meat!" while simultaneously dressing down into the most revealing eye candy.

That makes 2 of us bro, but then again the human ego doesn't care much for logic. It only operates on emotional impulse.

(09-14-2017, 05:29 PM)Fontevrault Wrote: I think I remember that when the first bikini came out, models wouldn't wear it.  They had to hire a prostitute to pose in it.  The things have only gotten skimpier from there.

Well there is a big shocker......not!
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(09-14-2017, 09:44 PM)divinesilence80 Wrote:
(09-14-2017, 05:02 PM)Jeeter Wrote: I never understood the bikini concept. On the one hand you hear "Don't look at me like a piece of meat!" while simultaneously dressing down into the most revealing eye candy.

That makes 2 of us bro, but then again the human ego doesn't care much for logic. It only operates on emotional impulse.
Who are you to judge, lol. :P
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