Francis and the Media: The Honeymoon is Over
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From The Boston Globe:




Pope Francis, company man
By Kevin Cullen Globe Staff January 19, 2018

Let the record show that the promise of Pope Francis died in Santiago, Chile, on Jan. 18, in the year of our Lord 2018.

When Pope Francis slandered victims of sexual abuse, ironically by accusing those very victims of slandering a Chilean bishop who was complicit in that abuse, he confirmed what some critics have said all along, what I have always resisted embracing: Pope Francis is a company man, no better than his predecessors when it comes to siding with the institutional Roman Catholic Church against any who would criticize it or those, even children, who have been victimized by it.

 
I offer my hearty congratulations to His Holiness, His Eminence, or whatever self-regarding, officious title that his legion of coat holders, admirers, apologists, and enablers insist we, the great unwashed, call him. Because he has revealed himself like no one else could.
 
By saying he needs to see proof that Bishop Juan Barros was complicit in covering up the abuse perpetrated by the Rev. Fernando Karadima, Francis has shown himself to be the Vatican’s newest Doubting Thomas. And it’s not a good look.
 
The pope’s outrageous slander of Karadima’s victims is all the more stunning and disgraceful because the Vatican itself had in 2011 accepted the truth of what those victims said and sentenced Karadima to what it called a lifetime of “penance and prayer” for abusing young people. Sounds like how a previous pope “punished” Cardinal Bernard Law for his dutiful coverup of sexual abuse in the Archdiocese of Boston by putting him in charge of one of the great basilicas of Rome and giving him digs in a palatial apartment where he was waited on hand and foot by servile nuns. Some punishment. Where do I sign up?
 
And just what exactly would constitute the proof that Pope Francis is now seeking, years after the Vatican accepted the claims of Karadima’s victims, who said Bishop Barros facilitated the abuse by refusing to take action against Karadima even though he knew Karadima was a predator?
  
Juan Carlos Cruz, one of Karadima’s victims and one of Bishop Barros’s most outspoken critics, put it this way: “As if I could have taken a selfie or a photo while Karadima abused me and others and Juan Barros stood by watching it all.”
 
Like others who have been physically assaulted by priests and mentally tortured by the craven complicity and inaction of bishops who are supposed to protect their flock from predators in Roman collars, Cruz has ruefully concluded that Pope Francis is no better than the others.
 
“These people are truly crazy,” Cruz said, “and the pontiff talks about atonement to the victims. Nothing has changed, and his plea for forgiveness is empty.”
 
Empty. Good word. Describes what an increasing number of Catholic churches in Chile and in many other countries are becoming.
 
Oh, well, lucky for the Vatican, there are still many places where people are horribly poor, sadly uneducated, and not served by a robust, free press, where deference to the clergy and the majesty of the Vatican is still as thick as the fine robes that some of the worst enablers of sexual abuse hide behind.
 
It should be noted that, for all the talk of Pope Francis cutting a new path for the Catholic Church, he was elected by a conclave of cardinals that included some of those cynical and criminal enablers of abuse, like the disgraced and disgraceful former archbishop of Los Angeles, Roger Mahony.
 
To be honest — and the good Sisters of Providence who taught me at Cheverus School in Malden always stressed the importance of honesty — I knew that Francis was no different, that he was right out of central Vatican casting, last year, when Marie Collins quit the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors that Francis had created to much fanfare.
 
Collins, who was molested by a priest when she was 13, quit the panel because the Vatican was resisting genuine reform. I met Collins years ago in Ireland, where she is from and where I at one time lived, and I think she is a courageous, compassionate person who understands what sexual abuse at the hands of priests can do to one’s soul better than any of the mandarins in the Vatican, including the pope.
 
That commission, headed by the pope’s closest American confidant, Boston’s own Cardinal Sean O’Malley, was allowed to expire last month without an explanation from the same pope who took figurative bows for forming it in the first place.
 
Even Francis acknowledged that Marie Collins is a great lady.
 
“Marie Collins explained things to me well,” the pope said, after she resigned. “I’ve spoken with her; she’s a great woman. She continues to work on the formation of priests on this point. She’s a great woman, who wants to work. She’s right on some things.”
 
Well, he got that right. But it was a bit rich for the pope to portray Collins as some sort of trusted adviser. Collins insists she’s never had a conversation with the pope beyond pleasantries while shaking hands. I guess saying hello to someone constitutes consultation to Pope Francis. No wonder he’s as tone deaf as the others. They talk to each other. They smile and nod at the rest of us.
 
Looking back, it’s kind of funny. Not funny in a ha-ha way, but funny in a sad way. Extremely judgmental and self-righteous right-wing Catholics, who are about as different from Jesus Christ as you can get, almost had aneurysms when, just a few months after his papacy began in 2013, Pope Francis said something remotely enlightened and tolerant about gay people.
 
Remember? “Who am I to judge?” the pontiff said.
 
Right-wingers’ heads exploded over the notion of a pope suggesting that the church’s dogma viewing gay people as “disordered” was perhaps a bit too harsh. Meanwhile, so many people of goodwill, especially lapsed or indifferent Catholics, wanted Francis to succeed that they embraced that little nugget, holding it tightly to their breasts as evidence that this pope was really different, that living amid the incandescent riches of the Vatican had not warped his perspective, his Christianity; that at his core, he was like Jesus Christ, tolerant of all, deeply committed to the poor, his humanity not blurred by dogma or magnificence or infallibility.

Well, Pope Francis fooled us. He fooled us all.
  
And we are all the poorer for it.
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Quote:...Extremely judgmental and self-righteous right-wing Catholics, who are about as different from Jesus Christ as you can get, almost had aneurysms when, just a few months after his papacy began in 2013, Pope Francis said something remotely enlightened and tolerant about gay people.

So...basically what I got from this article is that The Boston Globe is upset that Pope Francis didn't live up to his liberality? Why'd you repost this again? Cuz what I got from this is we traditional Catholics are as far from Jesus Christ as you can get...
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The acting Pope was suppose to address a rally of 300.000 in Iquique Chile, but less than a third that number showed up. His youth rally in Santiago 3 days ago also appeared to be very poorly attended. Reminds me of some ulra-liberal non practicing Catholics who told me he's the greatest Pope ever, but when I asked if they were returning to the church, they smiled broadly, shook there heads and said "No".
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(01-20-2018, 05:55 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote:
Quote:...Extremely judgmental and self-righteous right-wing Catholics, who are about as different from Jesus Christ as you can get, almost had aneurysms when, just a few months after his papacy began in 2013, Pope Francis said something remotely enlightened and tolerant about gay people.

So...basically what I got from this article is that The Boston Globe is upset that Pope Francis didn't live up to his liberality? Why'd you repost this again? Cuz what I got from this is we traditional Catholics are as far from Jesus Christ as you can get...

Yeah, I wondered too. This article is a vicious attack on any believing Catholic.
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(01-20-2018, 06:03 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-20-2018, 05:55 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote:
Quote:...Extremely judgmental and self-righteous right-wing Catholics, who are about as different from Jesus Christ as you can get, almost had aneurysms when, just a few months after his papacy began in 2013, Pope Francis said something remotely enlightened and tolerant about gay people.

So...basically what I got from this article is that The Boston Globe is upset that Pope Francis didn't live up to his liberality? Why'd you repost this again? Cuz what I got from this is we traditional Catholics are as far from Jesus Christ as you can get...

Yeah, I wondered too. This article is a vicious attack on any believing Catholic.

"Too bad this current Pope wasn't as theologically liberal as we thought. We thought this Pope was gonna be enlightened like Jesus Christ, instead of every other 'pompous' Pope before him. Oh well, he's just like those far-from-Christ conservatives. Tsk tsk"
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(01-20-2018, 06:24 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote:
(01-20-2018, 06:03 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-20-2018, 05:55 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote:
Quote:...Extremely judgmental and self-righteous right-wing Catholics, who are about as different from Jesus Christ as you can get, almost had aneurysms when, just a few months after his papacy began in 2013, Pope Francis said something remotely enlightened and tolerant about gay people.

So...basically what I got from this article is that The Boston Globe is upset that Pope Francis didn't live up to his liberality? Why'd you repost this again? Cuz what I got from this is we traditional Catholics are as far from Jesus Christ as you can get...

Yeah, I wondered too. This article is a vicious attack on any believing Catholic.

"Too bad this current Pope wasn't as theologically liberal as we thought. We thought this Pope was gonna be enlightened like Jesus Christ, instead of every other 'pompous' Pope before him. Oh well, he's just like those far-from-Christ conservatives. Tsk tsk"
The Boston Globe are just anti Catholic bigots who would hate the Church no matter what we do.

Of course Pope Francis Isn't a homosexual loving modernist every real Catholic had no reason to be worried.

Maybe Pope Francis will stop being so diplomatic with the world now and be more traditional
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(01-20-2018, 06:46 PM)Trad Catholic27 Wrote:
(01-20-2018, 06:24 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote:
(01-20-2018, 06:03 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-20-2018, 05:55 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote:
Quote:...Extremely judgmental and self-righteous right-wing Catholics, who are about as different from Jesus Christ as you can get, almost had aneurysms when, just a few months after his papacy began in 2013, Pope Francis said something remotely enlightened and tolerant about gay people.

So...basically what I got from this article is that The Boston Globe is upset that Pope Francis didn't live up to his liberality? Why'd you repost this again? Cuz what I got from this is we traditional Catholics are as far from Jesus Christ as you can get...

Yeah, I wondered too. This article is a vicious attack on any believing Catholic.

"Too bad this current Pope wasn't as theologically liberal as we thought. We thought this Pope was gonna be enlightened like Jesus Christ, instead of every other 'pompous' Pope before him. Oh well, he's just like those far-from-Christ conservatives. Tsk tsk"
The Boston Globe are just anti Catholic bigots who would hate the Church no matter what we do.

Of course Pope Francis Isn't a homosexual loving modernist every real Catholic had no reason to be worried.

Maybe Pope Francis will stop being so diplomatic with the world now and be more traditional

I mean, he seems to contradict himself. He's said a lot of un-orthodox things, but then he made the statement that transgenderism is disordered, for example.
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If this were all not so sad, it would be hilarious.
I mean LOL and hahaha:

Boston Globe writer hears Pope on homosexuality: "Who am I to judge?" and says "yay"

Boston Globe writer hears Pope on pedophilia cover up bishop: Who am I to judge? and goes batshit.

Liberals can't take their own medicine. Now they know how it feels.
Plus, liberals are more and more in favor of pedophilia, so this fellow is probably just using this Chilean fiasco-answer as an occasion to hit the Church.

Still, in a kind of gallows-humor way, kinda funny.
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(01-20-2018, 05:37 PM)Kevin Cullen of The Globe Wrote: The pope’s outrageous slander of Karadima’s victims is all the more stunning and disgraceful because the Vatican itself had in 2011 accepted the truth of what those victims said and sentenced Karadima to what it called a lifetime of “penance and prayer” for abusing young people. Sounds like how a previous pope “punished” Cardinal Bernard Law for his dutiful coverup of sexual abuse in the Archdiocese of Boston by putting him in charge of one of the great basilicas of Rome and giving him digs in a palatial apartment where he was waited on hand and foot by servile nuns. Some punishment. Where do I sign up?

I'm not in any way going to defend Cardinal Law and his reassignment, except to say that secularists always have a pretty silly idea of what the promovendi, removendi situation looks like.

Law way moved away from Boston (where I was in charge and enjoyed near complete freedom to do what he liked) to a place where he was "in charge of one of the great Basilicas" which in reality conferred no significant privilege, required him to be in Rome most of the time (and not doing whatever he cared to do). His "palatial" apartment was hardly grand by any means (few religious houses, even if their chapels and cloisters are grand).

Same with this "lifetime of penance and prayer" in a monastery or convent.

The question is : precisely what would you have the Church do?

Secularists would be horrified if the Church started up jails for canonical crimes. That would be proof of the lack of compassion, and they would be right. It is the State's duty to enforce such penalties. Canonical penalties are, for the most part, merely spiritual penalties.

The greatest penalty the Church handed out to a cleric was always to remove from him the protections of the clerical state (which historically made him immune from being hauled before a state tribunal), and to hand him over to the State for trial and punishment.

So if the local government could convict Karadima (and no modern government recognizes the clerical privilege to be immune while a cleric from a state tribunal) then he could be physically punished for crimes. The Church judged his crimes, and gave one of the most serious sentences possible : never again would he have any freedom. He would be obliged to live in a monastery, be silent most of the day, probably have no access to the Internet or phone, be obliged to rise at 3 am for Office, etc. It is not a comfortable life. Historically many of these places were not heated or cooled, nor had electricity (and some still do not).

So the question is : What does Cullen think the Church should do to punish?
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