Santa Fe Travesty?
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(02-02-2018, 04:50 PM)DJR Wrote: The initial poster stated that sacrilege takes place at Loreto Chapel, and, in response, you positively asserted that no sacrilege takes place.

The Spirit Daily bit quoted by the OP is clearly hyperbolic.

In it we read there was "sacrilege" because of a "homosexual wedding" in a "Catholic shrine". This is the "abomination of desolation".

Clear hyperbole.

As you point out it is not a "Catholic shrine", so there is no sacrilege as a result of it being a sacred place. While homosexual "marriage" is most certainly wicked and wrong (an no marriage at all), if it were not attempting to be the sacrament of marriage, but merely a natural marriage it would also not be a sacrilege against the sacrament.

Remember that natural, i.e. non-sacramental, marriage may be a natural "sacred" reality, but it is not that that we mean by the term sacrilege.

Without further information suggesting that the homosexual couple were intending to receive the Sacrament of marriage, there is not any grounds to claim sacrilege.

(02-02-2018, 04:50 PM)DJR Wrote: My question is:  How do you know that no sacrilege takes place there?

How do you know there is?

(02-02-2018, 04:50 PM)DJR Wrote: Next question:  Where did you get the idea that the statues were sold?  Just the mere fact that they are still present there?

Were they stolen?

Either they were bought after the fact, or came with the church.

It is generally the case that when one sells a property which has items in or attached to it (like a house with its furniture), the lot is sold together. If these statues, etc. are original, then they came with the church at its sale and were part of the sale, meaning they lost their blessing then.

If bought after the fact, there is no reason to judge that they were blessed (since it was not a Catholic church).

(02-02-2018, 04:50 PM)DJR Wrote: The chapel clearly advertises that it is non denominational, as anyone who has been there can tell you, and the archdiocese has issued numerous public statements over the years in regard to the groups that have made use of the chapel.

And yet various books I have read on the staircase advertising the chapel do not make this clear.

(02-02-2018, 04:50 PM)DJR Wrote: Do you believe that the simulation of Mass and other sacraments constitutes sacrilege?  Are you aware that Catholics have been involved in that at the chapel over the years?

Simulation of Mass and Sacraments is by definition a sacrilege, provided there was an attempt to actually offer Mass or a Sacrament. For instance, as above a merely natural marriage would not be a sacrilege, even if it were invalid (since it is the Sacrament which can be the object of sacrilege, not natural marriage). Who has been simulating Mass there?

Either way these were not the subject of the OP, which was about the homosexual "wedding".
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(01-30-2018, 12:44 PM)Zedta Wrote: I have visited this shrine many times, even once while the dear Nuns still resided nearby and kept the place up. They, sadly, sold it to a group that has definitely kept it up physically, but now seem on a path to do great desecration to the spirit of the place. I fear any Blessings imparted through the intercession of St. Joseph, may well have been removed some time ago...again with sorrow.

I stand behind my initial post's reference to the 'spirit of the place' as being the aspect of it that may have been desecrated. The facility is no longer a Catholic Church since it was de-sacrilized by the diocese many years ago. I would suppose, then, that any blessed religious artifacts whould have thus been reduced to being works of art.

None the less, the spirit of the place, when one walks in, is that of a Catholic Church or Shrine and anyone not knowing of its past 'decommissioning' would totally be unawares since there is no statement of this fact noted in the building, other than the statement of ownership by a secular group.

With all of that said, I have no doubts that there would be some who would come here for their own purposes and under the guise of this still being a "Holy Place", take that advantage to do their own form of desecration, which to me, would certainly be to the spirit of what this once holy place was.

Is this sacrilegious? By definition, no. But I am certain, that what may sometime go on, is in the spirit of doing just that.
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