Jumping In and Out of Hell
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(03-18-2018, 09:40 AM)GangGreen Wrote: Why is it that people (typically those who are unmarried, although lots of traditionalists seem to be vehemently anti NFP) always seem to think that NFP is the exact same as contraception? If you're using contraception perfectly you could have sex 30 days a month and you don't conceive. With NFP, if you're trying to avoid pregnancy you cannot have sex during the time of the month when she probably wants it most (because her body is saying "Hey, I'm fertile let's make a baby) and you sensing her fertility via pharamones want her most. Meanwhile, if you have a high sex drive already, you can't do anything about it except pray to avoid sins against chastity.

So how exactly is this the same? You want to say that those who are using it to have too few children (how ever many that is) are using it with ill intentions, fine. However, let's say someone uses it for a few years, then goes on to have 4 or 5 kids. Let's say they then continue to use it until the wife goes into menopause. Did they abuse NFP?

The question is the intention and the why.

It is very often that the mentality and idea is contraceptive, even if the act is not.

It's not murder to really want to kill someone but never to do so, but it is still the sin of murder to really and truly desire such, even if you never effectively carry it out. Sure the gravity is less, but it's still a grave sin. It's actually the same species of sin, but simply with different circumstances.

The same with contraception. To use a prophylactic or chemical means to prevent conception is not formally different from actively choosing to refrain from sex during a certain period in order not to have a child. The former can never be used correctly. Abstinenece can, so it permits us to consider such periodic continence from the aspect of double effect.

What is the effect willed, what is the end intended, and what are the means used?

If it is a bad end, even indifferent or good means become bad.

And that turns on precisely why to avoid having a child.

It's far different to say a couple making $200k per year can't afford a 3rd child from the woman with a disease that means a pregnancy carries a fairly serious risk of harm to her or the child.
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Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-16-2018, 02:15 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by BC - 03-16-2018, 02:25 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by FultonFan - 03-16-2018, 02:38 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-16-2018, 02:41 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by FultonFan - 03-16-2018, 02:51 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Galahad3 - 03-16-2018, 02:44 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-16-2018, 03:25 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by FultonFan - 03-16-2018, 03:38 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-16-2018, 08:00 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by FultonFan - 03-16-2018, 08:32 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-17-2018, 02:12 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by BC - 03-17-2018, 09:21 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-18-2018, 06:25 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by BC - 03-18-2018, 06:53 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-18-2018, 07:11 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by BC - 03-18-2018, 01:10 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-18-2018, 01:31 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-19-2018, 02:49 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-19-2018, 03:33 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-19-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Galahad3 - 03-16-2018, 03:29 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Poche - 03-17-2018, 01:09 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by IntoTheMystic - 03-18-2018, 08:22 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by GangGreen - 03-18-2018, 09:40 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by MagisterMusicae - 03-18-2018, 08:36 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-19-2018, 11:25 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Rivers - 03-19-2018, 03:43 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by SacraCor714 - 03-19-2018, 11:57 AM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by Ptochos - 03-21-2018, 12:36 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by GangGreen - 03-21-2018, 01:40 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by BC - 03-21-2018, 02:11 PM
RE: Jumping In and Out of Hell - by gracemary5 - 03-23-2018, 12:24 PM



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